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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:288090 Archived-At: [=E0=AE=9E=E0=AE=BE=E0=AE=AF=E0=AE=BF=E0=AE=B1=E0=AF=81 =E0=AE=8F=E0=AE=AA= =E0=AF=8D=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=B2=E0=AF=8D 10, 2022] Drew Adams wrote: >> > There's less contrast in the backgrounds of >> > active and inactive than what we've had - > so it's harder to see >> which is active. >>=20 >> How do you define contrast? I am proposing to change only the box >> color: >> the active box color to a lighter shade and the inactive one to a >> lighter shade. I think the contrast overall is unchanged. But I admit >> that I haven't mathematically computer it. > > I just pulled up Emacs 27.2 twice (`emacs -Q') > and applied your code in one of those instances. > > Opened two buffers in two frames, in each instance, > to compare. > > It's easier without your changes to tell which > window is selected (active mode-line). Nothing > mathematical. Try it, and I think you'll see what > I mean. > +1. The contrast is really poor. This is why I like the Emacs default: the difference in the background colour combined with the different box style makes it easy to find the active window. Moreover, the padding around the mode-line is excessive and with the scroll-bar turned on, it looks funny. > Not very important (to me, anyway - maybe wait to > see if someone chimes in about accessibility). I'd say it is very important. At least for those who use the default theme primarily. [ Unfortunately, most "modern" styles tend to sacrifice accessibility for eye-candy. ]