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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 5ba0bc7b1724ecbc0f7f17f3c6a3eaa9; Wed, 22 Jun 2022 03:10:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <86letphfke.fsf_-_@gnu.org> (Arash Esbati's message of "Tue, 21 Jun 2022 23:28:17 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20280 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.84; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:137976 Archived-At: Arash Esbati writes: > I agree that there are cases where INITIAL-INPUT still has its place, > but as I said, I remember the reason for phasing it out was different > than stylistic preferences. What other reason can there be? I can't think of any non-stylistic reason to discourage using that argument. If you think it is counterproductive to insert some initial value into the minibuffer itself, then by all means recommend against using it. But don't obsolete the means of doing so. You do not have a place in dictating how users write their Lisp programs.