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From: Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term)
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:25:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bkqunnni.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ill21adr.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> That still doesn't explain it to me (I don't use Debian).  Can you
> elaborate what kind of packages are we talking about, in the context
> of this discussion?

One possible way to look at it -- on a Debian system I think you'd
generally

  apt install emacs  # (or gcc-12 or ...)

if you just wanted to use emacs or gcc, or...  And that would install
the binaries, more or less, i.e. roughly like "make install", but with
automatic dependency resolution, etc.

And note that with many tools that would get you *just* the binaries,
i.e. no source at all for say gcc, libc, grep, git, etc.

If you wanted to investigate, fix, enhance the packaging itself, then
you might

  apt source emacs

which would download the packaging and unpack it in the current
directory, as say emacs-28.1+1-3/, and where all the packaging
related-changes, including any patches applied to the upstream code,
would be clearly visible in a emacs-28.1+1-3/debian/ subdirectory in the
emacs source.

For many packages these days you might also be able to just clone the
Debian packaging archive, e.g.

  git clone https://salsa.debian.org/rlb/deb-emacs.git

which might be preferable if you're more comfortable with git.

And finally, if your primary interest is the upstream source, and/or
running and/or working on anything other than the versions debian
currently provides, I suspect you'd likely want to

  git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/emacs.git

i.e. you wouldn't need and might well not want the debian packag(ing|es)
at all.

Hope this helps.
-- 
Rob Browning
rlb @defaultvalue.org and @debian.org
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-02 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 349+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-30 13:13 Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) David Bremner
2022-09-30 13:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:33   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 15:47     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 14:55   ` Sean Whitton
2022-09-30 16:02     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 15:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 16:06     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 16:38       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-01 16:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-01 20:42           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02  5:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02  6:10               ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:54                   ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:13                       ` chad
2022-10-02 16:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:25                       ` Rob Browning [this message]
2022-10-02 16:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:12                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:51                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:17                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:28                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 17:36                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:17                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:08                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03  9:12                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 11:32                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:07                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 13:29                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 13:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:42                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 14:45                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 14:52                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 15:14                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 12:55                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:14                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:47                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:08                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 15:18                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-10-03 17:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 17:39                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-03 17:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:05                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:09                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:51                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-03 17:16                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:21                                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 20:43                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:44                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 13:18                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:01                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:27                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:08                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:41                                             ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:40                                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:26                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 14:25                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:29                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 14:48                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:58                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:12                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 15:24                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 15:36                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:10                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:13                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 17:58                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 18:28                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:25                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:33                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:45                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:55                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05  1:09                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05  6:44                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 10:12                                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-05 11:19                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:06                                                       ` Max Brieiev
2022-11-06 16:31                                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-11-06 18:00                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07  9:22                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08  5:51                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 11:23                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 11:43                                                               ` Parallel native compilation Björn Bidar
2022-11-08 12:35                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-11-08 12:13                                                             ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:53                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 12:44                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 13:12                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-05 13:35                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 14:09                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-05 16:04                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:12                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:28                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 16:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:44                                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  0:56                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  6:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 17:53                                             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-14 18:36                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-14 19:06                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 21:17                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  3:07                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 16:34                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 23:16                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:30                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:00                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15  9:32                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 16:48                                                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-16  8:56                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 17:21                                                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-15 17:25                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  9:01                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16 16:59                                                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-17 10:37                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 20:37                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 23:40                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 23:46                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  0:34                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  0:39                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:03                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:07                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:19                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06  1:26                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  1:39                                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 12:07                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-06  4:32                                         ` Repeatable testing [was: Suppressing native compilation...] tomas
2022-10-06  5:04                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-06  6:52                                           ` Repeatable testing Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 20:05                           ` Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:10                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:19                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 12:43                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 13:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 13:29                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-05 14:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:38                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 17:48                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 17:37                 ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:21                     ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:53                 ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02 17:15               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:25                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:11                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 18:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:57                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-02 17:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 23:51               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:19                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:44                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:31                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  6:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  8:37                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-04  9:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  9:51                         ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 13:58                           ` Po Lu
2022-10-05 15:02                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-05 16:47                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 17:59                                 ` tomas
2022-10-05 18:28                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 18:56                                     ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 19:40                                         ` tomas
2022-10-05 19:29                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-05 19:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05 20:04                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-10-06  5:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  6:35                                             ` tomas
2022-10-05 16:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  0:34                               ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  6:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  7:11                                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-06  8:03                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:02                                       ` tomas
2022-10-06 10:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 11:49                                           ` tomas
2022-10-07 12:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06  9:52                                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-06 10:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 10:41                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-06 10:54                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 23:26                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-02  5:58   ` tomas
2022-10-02  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 15:53       ` tomas
2022-10-02 16:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 16:23           ` chad
2022-10-02 16:59             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:35               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:37                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 17:57             ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:06               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:35                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:41                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 19:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:50                       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 17:41                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:17                           ` tomas
2022-10-03 18:41                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 19:02                               ` tomas
2022-10-03 19:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:52                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04  0:16                           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-04  9:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-05  0:48                               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-05  7:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 17:47                                 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-10-15 17:39                                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 18:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 18:46                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:01                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-02 19:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 20:09                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-02 16:27           ` tomas
2022-10-02 17:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:37               ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:58                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:58                   ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 20:51               ` tomas
2022-10-02 23:58           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 16:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:23               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-03 18:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 18:32       ` Rob Browning
2022-10-02 18:51         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-02 19:57           ` Rob Browning
2022-10-03 15:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 16:39               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 17:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 18:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-03 18:49                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-03 21:58                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-04  6:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-04 13:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 15:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-30 17:05   ` David Bremner
2022-09-30 17:32     ` David Bremner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-23 18:43 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 15:22 Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:08   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:33     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-23 17:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-23 18:55   ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 18:35     ` Gregor Zattler
2022-10-24 19:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28  1:04 Rob Browning
2022-09-28 11:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 11:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 20:22   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13  5:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 19:20       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-13 20:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-13 20:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-13 20:57             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-13 21:29               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-14 22:37                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 15:06                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:24                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:02                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-16  8:52                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:29                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16 13:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-16 13:47                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-19 19:39                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-14  6:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 23:20                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  3:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  6:40                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  7:14                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 14:00                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15 14:10                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 14:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:55                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-17  7:34                               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 22:26                                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-19 19:33                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 15:10                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-17  7:20                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:19                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:26                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:19                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  7:21                           ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18  8:52                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 11:27                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:56                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-18 18:12                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-18 13:55                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-15  9:25                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 15:20                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 14:18                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-10-15 17:06           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-15 17:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:36               ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-13 20:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-14 19:46           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15  8:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 15:53               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15  9:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-15 14:35               ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-15 15:56               ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-15 16:24                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17  7:23                   ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 16:59                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-17 17:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  8:55                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-16  9:27                   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-10-16  9:35                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-17  7:30                       ` Andrea Corallo
2022-10-17 11:20                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-28 12:52 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 17:04   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 18:49     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-28 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-28 21:32         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  5:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  8:18             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29  9:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:32                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-09-29 15:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii

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