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From: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,
	acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net
Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:47:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bkqier8o.fsf@thornhill.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zge2iziw.fsf@yahoo.com>

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I don't agree, and don't feel myself uncomfortable at all.  For the
>> same reason I don't feel uncomfortable because we use HarfBuzz for
>> rendering and GnuTLS for networking.
>
> How relevant is fontification for editing code, and how relevant are
> HarfBuzz and GnuTLS for the same?
>

Well, we are not talking just about fontification, but we will get all
sorts of ast-powered benefits.  Navigation, speed, movement, context
aware deletion/inserting and more. There's a whole body of ingenious
stuff that's been made in other editors with this framework.  They will
immediately be relevant for emacs as well. This is much too simplistic a
view, I'm afraid.

> Emacs is very useful for editing code without any of HarfBuzz, Xft,
> Cairo, and TLS support.  If CC Mode dies a "slow, deprecated death",
> then Emacs will not be useful at all without tree-sitter installed.

I did not suggest CC Mode dies a slow, deprecated death.  I suggested
the modes out-of-tree that have obvious issues that has been lingering
for years will be deprecated.  That's different, and not at all in line
with what you are saying.

My point was that I'd consider it unfair to Alan (though he should
answer that himself) moving the C# variant to core, because that would
inevitably but even more stress on him.  _Every_ time I've had some
issues maintaining some problems in C# mode it has caused weeks of work
for Alan.

With tree-sitter, the same bugs were solved with 5 minutes coding.  I'm
not kidding.

If interested, you can dig around lists and issues discussing multiline
strings in CC Mode.

Thanks,

Theo



  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-11  7:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 208+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-09  9:03 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09  9:47 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 12:21   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 12:41     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:18         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 15:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 19:25             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 21:21               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:03                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-10  6:35                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:39                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  4:05                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  6:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:35                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  8:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:46                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  8:16                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  7:08                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 15:48                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:29                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 17:16                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:53                           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 18:04                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:53                     ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  7:16                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:08       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-09 12:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 12:27   ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 13:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 14:01       ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 14:07         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 13:25   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:39     ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:46       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  6:54         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  7:26           ` Turing on tree-sitter Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10  8:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 14:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:29                 ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-10 16:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:06                 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:24                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10 16:54                     ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:05                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 20:56                         ` Buliding with tree-sitter (Was: Turing on tree-sitter) Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 21:34                           ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 22:54                       ` Turing on tree-sitter Daniel Martín
2022-10-10  8:19           ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  8:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:59       ` Turing on tree-sitter Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 14:36 ` Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Brian
2022-10-09 14:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:20     ` Brian
2022-10-09 15:39       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 16:03         ` Brian
2022-10-09 17:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 23:45           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  9:34             ` Brian
2022-10-10 10:10               ` Po Lu
2022-10-10 10:27                 ` Brian
2022-10-10 15:53               ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10  3:04       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10  6:25         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:23           ` Brian
2022-10-09 20:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 20:54   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-09 21:12     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  0:01   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 19:44     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-10 20:54       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-17 17:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 18:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-17 22:04           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 13:47             ` Ketevan Lomidze
2022-10-18  3:24           ` Po Lu
2022-10-18  4:42             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-18  6:35               ` Po Lu
2022-10-18  9:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 10:36                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-18 14:52                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20  0:19                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-20  1:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-20  6:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 19:19                           ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-20  6:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 13:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  8:03             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10  5:55   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  6:44     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  8:15       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:04         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  9:10           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:20             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  9:39               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10  9:44                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:38           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 21:45             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  0:34         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11  6:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  6:41             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:51               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:23                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  7:36                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:41                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  8:15                     ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  9:54                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11  9:58                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:58               ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11  7:13                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:31                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:43                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:54                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:57                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:01                         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:30                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 20:36                             ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:49                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 21:01                                 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:44                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-12 10:58                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 19:20                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-11 19:28                       ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  4:43       ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  5:14         ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  5:33           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  6:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  6:50               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  5:47           ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:50               ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:23                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:51                       ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 10:09                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 12:49                   ` Visuwesh
2022-10-11 16:56                     ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11 18:18                       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  7:13           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:35             ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:47               ` Theodor Thornhill [this message]
2022-10-11  8:17                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:40                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 10:46                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:51             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11  7:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  7:31           ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  7:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:15               ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:34                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  8:47                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 10:17                     ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11  8:43             ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 16:01             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 21:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 21:49           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 22:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 22:49               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12  0:41                 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  9:51                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:47                     ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  5:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12  0:26           ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  3:31             ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12  4:27               ` Po Lu
2022-10-12  9:51                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:48                   ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 21:29       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10  7:34   ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10  7:48     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10  7:53       ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10  9:04         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:44       ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-11 21:00         ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:52         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:28 ` TypeScript support for tree-sitter (was Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 16:13   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:43     ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 17:07       ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:48         ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:04           ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:53             ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:07               ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:22                 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-12  6:51                   ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-12  7:11                     ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11  8:25         ` Po Lu
2022-10-11  8:42           ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 13:26       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 13:48         ` Theodor Thornhill
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-11 23:14 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12  5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 15:09   ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12 15:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 16:47       ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-21 23:45         ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-22  1:52           ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22  3:42             ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22  6:42           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-22 15:51             ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24  4:20               ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-24 15:41                 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 15:46                   ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24  6:23               ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-24 15:44                 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 16:00                   ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-12  7:18 Payas Relekar

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