From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Manuel Giraud via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Non file buffers and default-directory Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:58:15 +0200 Message-ID: <87bkj9ioc8.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> References: <87edohf3ip.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87zg745p85.fsf@gmx.de> <87y1moe1aa.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87v8hr6gvl.fsf@gmx.de> <874jpa611r.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87v8hprb5w.fsf@mbork.pl> <87zg714qb8.fsf@gmx.de> <87pm7xplz3.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <87r0sc4cmv.fsf@gmx.de> <87ttx810mz.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <831qkb27st.fsf@gnu.org> <87pm7v256a.fsf@univ-nantes.fr> <87cz3vukop.fsf@gmx.de> <83leijyrb2.fsf@gnu.org> <87pm7u95yf.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs8qzrab.fsf@gnu.org> <87cz3r28ye.fsf@ledu-giraud.fr> <83ildjvply.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Manuel Giraud Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32959"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 27 12:59:10 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1przLC-0008N8-3v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:59:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1przKi-0000wH-7B; Thu, 27 Apr 2023 06:58:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1przKf-0000vG-Q8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2023 06:58:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ledu-giraud.fr ([51.159.28.247]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1przKd-0005P9-Rd; Thu, 27 Apr 2023 06:58:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=ed25519; bh=Q2K6tLKd y8DBMN9NxCIuDz9W8x7xXqTmgUcshKDP+WU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to: subject:cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=OBpQSEaBH/QGyj84reQ518s69JJjqE VviG6bmXoprtN6TNW+XfcFlAVP/ZAl0LHS2WzX+XIVQH8F5GuUOuGsDA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; s=rsa; bh=Q2K6tLKdy8DBMN9N xCIuDz9W8x7xXqTmgUcshKDP+WU=; h=date:references:in-reply-to:subject: cc:to:from; d=ledu-giraud.fr; b=br26XFd3H3pBK0a2eIa3+ZDD09ZQsdHvYSTd5E fiEfseaZWl1r5tvR606VmslGQv6KVVbZ0pMKk++wVND0AgaWSaMCF7khTu/gY4VHONq1EN hLWDnM9tuAYpBa3U42jZgLY4hllb+n9n8uPvYU5L3SOGMhFQIdb4kqANfDFy2Er3wjjLf/ 3/pT2qlqnHsbNuzZVgQvIZf4gXGzP/hmdoLyzzyFuqx3FksZ/7h8Lw6nGVKfFfWE2rocxx hqKTvifwBKpZWOqvYKcYF6k9hWmfTggF+HUuK70iC4Zzn688LOtxn/YsvX8lD8jhsj4/Ff 3OmqrI3oIwBQW0Whu7H0Saeg== Original-Received: from computer ( [10.1.1.1]) by ledu-giraud.fr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 712d85fe (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:58:32 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <83ildjvply.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:27:53 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=51.159.28.247; envelope-from=manuel@ledu-giraud.fr; helo=ledu-giraud.fr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143417 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: [...] > Thanks. This is promising, but it also means that some changes are > needed in smtpmail-send-it to avoid the bad and the ugly part. (And > further discussions should probably move to emacs-devel.) > > Thank you for doing this, I think it will be a very important feature > when it becomes available. Hi Eli, Thanks for your support. I'm reading some code now and I start to realize that *just* having an async SMTP sender in Emacs won't be that easy. An example: I'm using Gnus (and message.el) to send mail. If you look at 'message-send' (lisp/gnus/message.el#4396), that I guess is calling 'smtpmail-send-it' down the line, you'll see that it is "waiting" for a synchronous 'success' to decide what to do next (for example, renaming the buffer from *unsent...* to *sent...*). This won't work as is with an async SMTP sender. I imagine that there are other places with code like that and that it could break many workflow. -- Manuel Giraud