From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Resources for an old newbie ? Date: Tue, 23 May 2023 20:19:41 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkiahkbm.fsf@posteo.net> References: <0e037ca2-517d-3b52-2187-a7bba7956fbd@starynkevitch.net> <87353ndhzg.fsf@web.de> <871qj7397n.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 23 22:20:18 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q1YUU-0003Mx-F1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 May 2023 22:20:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q1YU4-0008Tj-Lv; Tue, 23 May 2023 16:19:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q1YU2-0008Rw-Cg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2023 16:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q1YTw-0001tg-6a for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 23 May 2023 16:19:50 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E79C240027 for ; Tue, 23 May 2023 22:19:41 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1684873181; bh=1+KAQPAoSIojeMoKVwIMuD8DMo86bw9g+cK1dXHuOCA=; h=From:To:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=WmctiwIor9UJr2lU42uTasRUgqOB5HU7KpidtiRDtN9wNfEggzn9dkwie0DJ1Rn9b JmRu2xxolnfIZ9l8tlBX8R+pT55jKYpA75Xv0W0XtYpSIBnoYLOc6Snp3RJyIiPZbD fxJ8/fXIqCJKw4tUKOk84elrUQ8/fVcP+kQP8K5yGlBf5VMTbfq/Hw0WwWBGHIj91U XkoKBiYr020uGRXsJ9IKJ+hZDlEdtGWaRNsX9Z7CNCIU4K0zbOQEi5t/eJkw9zpX+o CfyOxqIF3+EiCggfRnWCuitjHS0gWvy/UUpOW3FA4+YJKuTJyJre6NtK18YqcRV4/c DXL5l01fOEijQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QQlzK2X7Qz6tsb for ; Tue, 23 May 2023 22:19:41 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <871qj7397n.fsf@dataswamp.org> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Tue, 23 May 2023 07:31:08 +0200") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143723 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Michael Heerdegen wrote: > >> And the second tip just adds even more barriers at this >> beginner level. It might be fun and exciting to use the >> newest sources, but this is definitely not related to >> learning Emacs - it's distracting and unnecessary unless you >> are very excited and have a lot of time. One can do this >> later or. It's not good to advice people to do this - >> especially beginners. > > People tend to care about 1-3 programs, if one of those are > Emacs then I think one should get the newest version > and source, definitely. It isn't difficult, actually. > > Because, the problem is the repositories are so behind. > For example in the Debian repos, xemacs21 is the most "recent" > version available ... That is a bad example: XEmacs 21(.4) /is/ the newest version of XEmacs, since there hasn't been a release since 2009[0]. It appears there was a beta release just a few days ago[1], after a almost ten-year break. Depending on what you do, I think that even a release from Debian Stable is good enough for most people who aren't into core Emacs development. The main issue most people will eventually encounter is that some package maintainers are too eager to drop support for "older" versions of Emacs, so a number of interesting packages become inaccessible. But Debian Stable is usually what defines the fringe of "widespread Emacs releases", so package maintainers usually respect that. That being said, it does hurt to know that the next release of Emacs will miss the next Debian release ever so closely, meaning that Stable users will be stuck with Emacs 28 instead of 29 for a few more years to come. [0] https://www.xemacs.org/Releases/index.html#Stable [1] https://www.xemacs.org/Releases/21.5.35.html#announcement