From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:00:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> <0a968a4e1b267c0f15dd237e6ea12a709fc06d5e.camel@yandex.ru> <838rcisj7o.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4839"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 12:00:46 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qApDB-000188-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:00:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApCn-0007ft-4e; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:00:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApCf-0007e3-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:00:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApCc-000855-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:00:13 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51FB6240029 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:00:08 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1687082408; bh=2NB5q0pDd2vDF2Oi5568DOd6IWxAaJjpltDfDe/segw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=sIJY0lZDJBoZJTnlttKcgs9DMXmQHGsWw4VaofE6eH1S7pqxZZfT7FdIm8r0GjFWX rjn8e4Aw63Nc200mmoqSVDSmfwsw1aae/GKuH02eE+FxbfDZrJOm/0dB5rIPSuobaB BsDwjrwUfZTVzoKKApc+t5TONQxKp4AE72UQ6nS0G+Rea4Fp5dM/y+CpKfCeOt1QzV lme/0M/3QfJD9JhC8h8zwLLQL19hYVMxOhvKHyNMRZps7lJfZAHlwUXbuFolR2PCoV HiWac7aINuheIyQMgj37Fmln1xf5UtRpS/f9HGATPsjv7fJYu12MKGZ/Bqqpf/w6RX jfRJxkMioFYCw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QkT0R4yqzz9rxW; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:00:07 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> (Konstantin Kharlamov's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2023 11:53:09 +0300") X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:eliz@gnu.org::+OyrlGh7p4V1nchu:1Q3T X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:emacs-devel@gnu.org::bJeOoHcE5uar11Ae:3hEq X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:hi-angel@yandex.ru::pAtNgK6+g/7bDoMT:89E4 X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:ams@gnu.org::GZtbb+wabVFUIW6N:9tA5 Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306941 Archived-At: Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 08:20 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > From: Konstantin Kharlamov >> > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, arne_bab@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu= .org >> > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 01:39:17 +0300 >> >=20 >> > No. I measured specifically for you: "Sending Patches" alone is 5884 >> > characters >> > not counting bullets, and my email was 3491 characters. >>=20 >> When someone posts a patch, he or she is not requested to read that >> section, let alone pass some kind of exam on being familiar with it. >> I'm quite sure 99% of contributors don't even know that section exists >> in the manual, and have never read it.=C2=A0 So the size of that node is >> utterly irrelevant to how hard it is to contribute to Emacs. > > You can't send a patch if you don't know how and where to send it =F0=9F= =98=8A So you > can't avoid reading that section. I think `submit-emacs-patch' is supposed to help here. But I don't get how this is a Emacs/ML specific issue? --=20 Philip Kaludercic