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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316313 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > We seem to have a different understanding of the word "cost". Yours appears to revolve around the cost to "Emacs maintenance"--but this is an abstract conception offering little in the way of information that might contribute to a sound decision. My definition is the aggregate of the costs to each Emacs developer, which is zero, inasmuch as work is not being done.