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Tue, 06 Aug 2024 23:33:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1723001572; x=1723606372; i=michael_heerdegen@web.de; bh=2XnKaOk43GU7czBC7elwtNVy1BV/c9WWv65cagy5t6Y=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=IvG7H255h+IhxCXXpdczTtfaGfhjxVVSOqNWuw7Ttq73VYUaf+pGBNHIWppTRKoB imqmasVxbLJX2KNeArvJOQj44PMVOGd3Rb8nZ0VaCy0C2nL3O+AHJPuD/WddO7CNi GBOcJ/qkizxBb2y4I8f4AQkmMB3pd/qjRHVP+ZefoZiDVf3ZWJOmt/75CqpKWSSrE ggLxIlYKqw8BwxjJ582WkPeXTKNlU4brpY7mt9hNqLtRviAishf8Uz+fSoIlQmMuJ WttTJguezlZKtpJh/mRYuflnJjT2q273/FVwNnRuaszaNfb66hCiEuRjeMZd0JwmW FwGURdU4Jf6dr9JKbg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Original-Received: from drachen.dragon ([92.76.229.49]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb006 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MwjK2-1sGzMn3ZUY-00u0ja; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 05:32:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871q31ztju.fsf@gmail.com> (Thuna's message of "Tue, 06 Aug 2024 15:09:57 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:J2BO4S0t2x37I+mQoSuEoDg4HcEbg/QavCeD7l2dArcr87dg0U0 Hw0N+9es5LzP1Ss1Jyelbcs6NaNz4NIP+FzYmfku19cxVonbvhnmMvUe/odwiqdhDTcM0nH zMar0oMPXWXiS+hStr7hrp/7vf2RktxPQA3biq8CcHMpc66jpvCMoBmUXC15QXaXxmA+P3k 7+eMeFw9vloFEUnxqvBZw== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:DgwVz9LrfvA=;UdssZkrG1oYMP732+PgnshfVRGs 2JKVFvRF5QuemYJ8HvuDiSzUpaGGjxTHXQ5klOUvup2wp38LwzmueygtPs1mkCIokcd7eLBb8 EXyEG2doa1UOLkcjCiVZdBKGLCYg2fihivAaDfpxb5XVT+Gav7SmWccYw0BwEbN3cclyWKFzY +MZIaSPVqWKSul5seX1zKvFL5Oychdb6wo3VHDi/6X0xX91mp0PEGtuUWoo47kRnZjtb36fyC /vk1nL2HEiiy9TvyMOwae65tH3Pqy75aaF6n83JhWzM5ya2LH3CQrT5JhUraIHT9CjcY1fwnd NSMAgKGn9YkTlBwTtCPGSV+nVxea2NwpfIi7ITqVVZv0iUcetz3rHinGKfBkGFZNxFf78Lo+l dqod4G4e6tgW6AFmQCb9P82mQhglZ+rLcE/Y6FnYgPTSyWQi5NUUyhM0CYRT5gpXydYCb1n8r njXnCebH0/iyZeg9WZdj6NXIh/1kAFjIw5/udm8H+ErGPMQ15xlWSKbCYWMCOAfPw1cmRQqHD O0BfIjg5YFsB79MYzB9TftNzOi8nvCDiF+5Xn9hPFYElx4jRpxxKii+QumJsOqES15izigM1d jmutV1jvxtb+TZvLrCTR76mVpXN+QnIstYWMxpaPikl9/CTwHQDqCAxwz9nQhQLZAkofh/aPI Qfvh/2hH6AHurfU1YNsyty8ZHehXzFLrRGXBu3YgSXzefWLP3cH2gXP28fM1f+m1FATFbYARC QIpAgpb8THa2adjcell7JoPPV4tiBi8+nwAPLd0FJze3h/bVq74hTgShYJx0QkzQYeqNT5hA X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:289865 Archived-At: Thuna writes: > I don't see how we can discuss whether this patch has enough benefits to > clear the hurdle of backwards-incompatibility if you are not willing to > engage with the discussion of what this patch's benefits *are* to begin > with. He sees that of course, but it is not what he has asked for because it is obviously not enough. Eli has to ask these questions, he is just doing his job. He has to weight backward incompatibilities and potential breakage against potential further improvements. The second is what his question is about. If you as the one who proposes this change can't answer it with concrete examples, how could he come to a decision? So I suggest to avoid meta discussions about what we expect and how others should behave and, even if it sucks, try to answer Eli's questions without questioning his reasons and intentions all the time. Michael.