From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 10 problems with Elisp, part 10 Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 09:44:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87bk246al2.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fiYWXXJHOIE8xFJHCsZVspCNeZg= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 07 12:51:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbeGg-0006n2-U8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 12:51:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbeGH-00058Z-Aj; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 06:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbbLq-0000yq-FV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:44:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sbbLo-0001hl-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 03:44:54 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sbbLm-0003yA-EX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Aug 2024 09:44:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Aug 2024 06:51:19 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322487 Archived-At: Abraham S.A.H." via "Emacs development discussions. wrote: >> Yes, Python is incomparable to Emacs Lisp and would >> probably win quite even against the collective Lisp world, >> I'm afraid. > > Wins only in being popular. I didn't say that. You know why? Because I didn't mean it. > But should we consider Python as a technically > better language? It doesn't take much experience to do cool things fast in Python, it is a fact. In Lisp, _no one_ does that, almost. > Of course it has lessons to be learnt and advantages to be > studied and adopted.  But should one try to make Elisp more > like JS or PHP or Python just because they have more > programmers?  Isn't it because of some other industrial > causes that they are popular? No comments, I haven't said any of what you say so I don't need to answer it, either. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal