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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: cpardo@imayhem.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Physical keyboard events
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2024 22:09:33 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjyvjdk2.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86fro7uo6h.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:24:38 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> My point is that users frequently customize or exchange the positions of
>> these modifier keys, and it is the resultant modifiers that they expect
>> Emacs to report, not the keysyms, in special events or elsewhere.
>
> They should not expect that with these physical events, IMO.

Why not?  If Caps Lock and Ctrl are exchanged, why should Emacs depart
from every other program by not reporting Ctrl when the key labeled Caps
Lock is depressed?  Or, if another key than Hyper itself (which is not
to be found on PC keyboards) is configured to serve as the Hyper
modifier, surely we want it to be reported as Hyper?

The only reasonable manner of reporting these key events is reporting
the modifiers that Emacs will generate in response to them.  The other
correct approach, that of reporting X modifier bits uninterpreted,
yields physical keys that are just as meaningless (ctrl, shift, mod1,
mod2, mod3, and so forth) and with equally tenuous a relationship with
the modifiers that users expect to receive from Emacs.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-04 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-28 23:15 Physical keyboard events Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 13:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-29 15:07   ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 15:38     ` Peter Feigl
2024-10-29 17:54       ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 23:41       ` James Thomas
2024-10-29 16:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-29 16:55       ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-29 17:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30  2:56           ` Max Nikulin
2024-10-30  6:28             ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-30  6:39               ` Peter Feigl
2024-10-30 15:27               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30 17:13                 ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-30 17:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30 19:26                     ` Dov Grobgeld
2024-10-30 19:36                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-10-30 19:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-31  6:13                     ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-30 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30 16:59               ` Max Nikulin
2024-10-29 17:56         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 17:52       ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 17:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-10-29 18:20   ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-29 19:31     ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-10-29 21:45       ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-10-30  6:02         ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-30 15:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30 16:51             ` Yuri Khan
2024-10-30 17:25               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-10-30  3:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-03 23:44 ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-04  0:21   ` Po Lu
2024-11-04  8:03     ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-04  9:35       ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 11:11         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-04 11:49           ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 11:59             ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-04 13:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 13:46                 ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-04 13:54                 ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 13:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 14:09               ` Po Lu [this message]
2024-11-04 16:46                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05  1:31                   ` Po Lu
2024-11-05  7:15                     ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-05  9:03                       ` Po Lu
2024-11-05  9:20                         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-05 12:21                           ` Po Lu
2024-11-05 13:30                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05 14:27                             ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-06  0:10                               ` Po Lu
2024-11-06 12:49                               ` Po Lu
2024-11-06 13:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07  0:25                                   ` Po Lu
2024-11-07  6:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 14:36                                       ` Po Lu
2024-11-07 15:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-07 16:58                                           ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-08  0:36                                           ` Po Lu
2024-11-05 13:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 13:18         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 14:37           ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 16:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-05  1:03               ` Po Lu
2024-11-05  7:09                 ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-05 13:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 12:27     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-04 13:09       ` Po Lu
2024-11-04 13:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-16  8:42     ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-17  0:05       ` Po Lu
2024-11-18 20:35     ` bug#74423: Low level key events Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-18 23:49       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-23 12:08         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-19 15:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-19 16:43       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-19 20:05         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-11-20  4:21           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-02 16:54             ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-04 20:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 21:25                 ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-05  5:41                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06  1:01                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-07 21:52                       ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-13 22:55                     ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-14  1:16                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-14  9:26                         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-14 11:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-18 10:59                         ` Cecilio Pardo
2024-12-22  4:31                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-11-18 20:38     ` Physical keyboard events Cecilio Pardo

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