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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e1fe8b9d03c629b1b4570a7be648c38d; Thu, 07 Nov 2024 00:25:58 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <86ed3osd3o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 06 Nov 2024 15:31:23 +0200") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22806 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.184.148; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic309-22.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:325192 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I already said that we could have both what you want and what Cecilio > considers TRT. Why do you keep arguing for your concept as the only > one? Because the former is fatally hamstrung for many users, from whom we will undoubtedly receive a spate of issues reporting that their modifier keys are not producing activation events.