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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: mickey@masteringemacs.org, casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no,
	73404@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca
Subject: bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2025 20:02:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bjwjyg5f.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86cyh16nq3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Jan 2025 21:54:12 +0200")

> Another example on line 152 in dispnew.c:
>
>   struct redisplay_history
>   {
>     char trace[512 + 100];
>   };
>
> Move point to the [ before 512: C-M-n will signal an error.
>
> Any bracket in the file will trigger either the first or the second
> behavior.

Sorry, I didn't foresee that you would expect C-M-n and C-M-f to behave
the same way regarding list motion.  This is fixed now by syncing
treesit-forward-list with treesit-forward-sexp-list, so all your
test cases work correctly now.

>> > w32_get_internal_run_time (void)
>> > {
>> >   if (get_process_times_fn)
>> >     {
>> >       FILETIME create, exit, kernel, user;
>> >       HANDLE proc = GetCurrentProcess ();
>> >       if ((*get_process_times_fn) (proc, &create, &exit, &kernel, &user))
>> >         {
>> > 	  return ltime (total.QuadPart);
>> >         }                              ^
>> >     }
>> >
>> >   return Fcurrent_time ();
>> > }
>> >
>> > If you put point on the semi-colon marked by "^", C-M-n signals an
>> > error.  Can't we instead move to the next "list" after
>> > "Fcurrent_time"?
>> 
>> 'C-M-n' doesn't move to the next statement in c-mode,
>> since we need to support backward-compatibility.  The key
>> that moves to the next statement ignoring nested lists
>> in C modes is 'M-e'.
>
> Well, then maybe we could have the more useful behavior as an opt-in
> option?

Do you also need an option to move in Lisp from 1 to 2 in:

  (compound_statement
   (if_statement
    (compound_statement
     (return_statement 1)))
   (return_statement 2))

>> C-M-n is unable to move to the first group because
>> it's inside the node in the AST:
>> 
>>     (cast_expression "("
>>      type: (type_descriptor type: (type_identifier))
>>      ")"
>>      value: 
>>       (call_expression function: (identifier)
>>        arguments: 
>>         (argument_list "(" (identifier) ,
>>          (string_literal " (string_content) ")
>>          ")")))
>> 
>> Both the first and the 2nd parenthesized groups are inside the
>> "cast_expression" node.
>
> Sorry, I don't follow: the parentheses of the argument list are also
> inside a node, and yet we do recognize them.  What's the difference?

The problem is that ")" is not the final child of 'cast_expression'.
So C-M-f/C-M-n can't stop after ")".

All these problems stem from the imperfection of ts grammars.

It would be nice if someone will find a way to modify the grammars
after importing them to Emacs core, to be able to insert more nodes.
This will solve a whole class of problems.

Otherwise, if vendoring grammars is not feasible, an alternative
would be to define a new treesit-thing like e.g. "paren" that
will match anonymous nodes like:

  (setq-local treesit-thing-settings
              `((c
                 (paren ,(rx (or "{" "}" "[" "]" "(" ")")))

Then low-level treesit functions such as treesit-parent-until
will have to check if there a preceding sibling that matches "paren"
before using their real AST parent node.  This means maintaining
a parallel virtual tree.

>> > As for terminology: the Emacs user manual calls these "groupings
>> > delimited by parentheses (or whatever else serves as delimiters in the
>> > language you are working with)", or in short "parenthetical group".
>> > Why cannot we keep this terminology?  It sounds like it describes its
>> > subject as accurate as we can come up with.
>> 
>> So you prefer "group" over "list"?
>
> As a shorthand; the better term is "parenthesized group".

By definition a list is a parenthesized group.
The term "list" is much shorter than its synonym
"parenthesized group", so I see no reasons not to use "list".

>> Then 'forward-list' should move over "group"?
>
> I'm not sure we should rename the commands, given the legacy.  But
> the doc string should use "group" or "parenthesized group", IMO.

The doc string of 'forward-list' already uses this:

  (forward-list &optional ARG INTERACTIVE)
  Move forward across one balanced group of parentheses.





  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-06 18:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-21  5:06 bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26  7:42 ` Yuan Fu
2024-09-26  9:56   ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 10:53     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-26 12:13       ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 13:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-26 15:21           ` Mickey Petersen
2024-09-26 15:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-09-27  5:43               ` Yuan Fu
2024-09-29 16:56                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-10-01  3:57                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-10-01 17:49                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-10-02  6:14                       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-05 18:52                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-05 19:53                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-10 17:20                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-11  6:31                             ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-11 15:12                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-11 15:29                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-11 16:50                                 ` Mickey Petersen
2024-12-11 18:27                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-12  7:17                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12  7:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-12  7:58                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12  8:14                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 16:31                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 17:49                                             ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-12 19:13                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-13  7:06                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-14 11:02                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-14 18:14                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-18  7:37                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  4:04                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-19  7:14                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  7:18                                                   ` bug#74963: Ambiguous treesit named and anonymous nodes in ruby-ts-mode Juri Linkov
2024-12-24  3:02                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-24  7:17                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24  7:41                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  3:25                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-25  7:52                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-26  1:00                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-12-27  7:42                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 17:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 21:03                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25  7:49                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  9:11                                                             ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25 17:39                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-19  7:34                               ` bug#73404: 30.0.50; [forward/kill/etc]-sexp commands do not behave as expected in tree-sitter modes Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 19:05                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 21:14                                   ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25  7:44                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25  8:34                                       ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-25 17:36                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-27  7:59                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25 17:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-25 18:01                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-25 19:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-27  7:54                                         ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-29 17:58                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30  7:15                                 ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30  8:00                                   ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-04 17:46                                     ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-04 19:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05  7:32                                         ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 11:46                                           ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 12:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 12:30                                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 16:59                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:20                                                   ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 21:18                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 17:59                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 19:50                                               ` Theodor Thornhill via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06  7:54                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06 14:14                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-06 17:40                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06 18:04                                                       ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-06 20:07                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-07 18:05                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-07 19:19                                                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 13:02                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-05 18:05                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 19:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 18:02                                                 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2025-01-06 18:45                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2025-01-06 20:19                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05  7:37                                       ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-05 14:40                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-05 18:10                                           ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-06  8:56                                           ` Yuan Fu
2025-01-07 17:56                                             ` Juri Linkov
2025-01-07 19:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2025-01-08  2:27                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2024-12-30 13:40                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 18:54                                     ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-30 19:36                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-30 16:30                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-12-30 18:59                                     ` Juri Linkov

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