From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: 18 May 2002 11:00:08 +0900 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021687388 29619 127.0.0.1 (18 May 2002 02:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 02:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, eliz@is.elta.co.il, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE, mlang@delysid.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 178tYq-0007hb-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:03:08 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 178tlb-0002Gl-00 for ; Sat, 18 May 2002 04:16:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178tYu-0003Eg-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:03:12 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com ([203.216.5.132]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178tWb-00039o-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 22:00:49 -0400 Original-Received: from tc-2-165.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.25.165] helo=tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with esmtp (Magnetic Fields) id 178tWX-00068Z-00; Sat, 18 May 2002 11:00:46 +0900 Original-Received: by tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF15A30AC; Sat, 18 May 2002 11:00:08 +0900 (JST) Original-To: Francesco Potorti` System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> Original-Lines: 29 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4076 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4076 Francesco Potorti` writes: > I think that using C-f instead of the arrow key is very advanced usage. > It is only useful for very fast typists or people that routinely use all > sort of keyboards and setups, so they cannot rely on arrows. That's silly. C-f &c are much better for _anyone_ who can touch-type, because the (usually very long) reach for the arrow keys causes a lot of disruption. This has _nothing_ to do with being a `very fast typist' or not, it's simply a much more efficient of working anytime you want to keep your hands on the keyboard, e.g., when you're actually typing something. I think the arrow keys are worse than the mouse for this reason, because people generally use the mouse for `gross editing', where they conciously _do_ switch modes, and are prepared for the disruption, whereas cursor-movement keys are very commonly used while actually typing, for correcting minor mistakes. So, even if it's not as completely necessary now days to teach the cursor-movement keys to complete novices (because they'll `get by' using the arrow keys), banishing them to an appendix or something as `advanced usage' would be a real disservice to users. -Miles -- [|nurgle|] ddt- demonic? so quake will have an evil kinda setting? one that will make every christian in the world foamm at the mouth? [iddt] nurg, that's the goal