From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Carmody Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:50:29 +0300 Organization: Saunalahti Customer Message-ID: <87abgaw322.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216730444 26822 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 12:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:40:44 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 14:41:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLHBM-0000L5-0O for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:41:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49771 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLHAS-00087o-Gy for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:40:36 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!feeder.erje.net!feeder2.news.saunalahti.fi!reader1.news.saunalahti.fi!53ab2750!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nhEVikTxjRepwuxVXy/XHz4c4nA= Original-Lines: 46 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.143.57.195 Original-X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@saunalahti.com Original-X-Trace: reader1.news.saunalahti.fi 1216727445 83.143.57.195 (Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:50:45 EEST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:50:45 EEST Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:160444 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55793 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:46, Phil Carmody > wrote: >> Xah writes: > >>> These terms are irrelevant to the users of a software application. >> >> Blatant assertion I disagree with completely. > > In which way the use of terms like "keybinding" or "buffer" is > relevant to the *users* of a software application? I, as a user of the software application called "emacs" must be familiar with that functions are bound to what keys in order to use that software application. For buffers, see below. I'd have thought the above response would have been so bloody obvious that I'm amazed you even bothered asking the question. The only way I can see you not expecting such a response is if you are of the opinion that I am not a user of emacs, or that you think emacs is not a software application. Either of which is equally bizarre. >>> As a user of a text editor, he works with files. >> >> Blatant assertion I disagree with completely. As a user of a text >> editor, I work with text. And I want it neatly buffered for me. >> I may occasionally load some of the text from a file, and I may >> occasionally save some of the text to a file, but the majority >> of the buffers that I use never undergo either. > > It is true that the user of a text editor works with text. It is also > true, I think, that most text is saved to a file, though nowadays I > suppose there's also a fair amount that is cut&paste'd into another > application, a web form, etc. An absolute assertion is false as soon as one counter-example is found. An absolute assertion was made. I provided a counter- example. The assertion is therefore false. End of. Phil -- Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all. -- Microsoft voice recognition live demonstration