From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xiao-Yong Jin Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:27 -0400 Message-ID: <87abg9jyiw.fsf@columbia.edu> References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <96a95b9c-048d-4bb0-aaa1-4b552623bde6@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216769028 1698 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 23:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:23:48 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 01:24:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLRCL-000859-K7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:23:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRBS-00078K-96 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:22:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRB6-000777-GG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRB2-00074j-Un for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40963 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRB2-00074Z-RV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from serrano.cc.columbia.edu ([128.59.29.6]:41092) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLRB2-0006gP-Ef for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:52 -0400 Original-Received: from latticeqcd (dyn-160-39-50-237.dyn.columbia.edu [160.39.50.237]) (user=xj2106 mech=PLAIN bits=0) by serrano.cc.columbia.edu (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m6MNLjIs000932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAD1BMVEXcBwj0AgP8AADrysTUU1gp luy9AAACUklEQVQ4jW1U0bHjIAwUhgIs2QUYzgXgEQWYiP5ruhVO8u7NnD4yxMsirVZA2st/4jCq 2RdZfn2Xkig8y8y/oJyJh0dIqm0phQv+B2wrlE0R1X8DSCsWDadkyishmjJLzrzj6zoRYt9bWxM/ OM1vYHWh3CbDhux84DsjgDCAhOQtat+W4046ow4HIlad9yuGLHHWOHpGDhzFTPd52VKy0QzOMssN ueleDfn1fRQYZaX4WptZUwc+R0H5zbEDwD4I1sC0ojKBcpXYrG6pNjn0E21BjgVlXdu4msy+WfNf IbE73mkCaFDgsr2QFk0sLkOvOC6Fcq0AvNCFJH4YKkyksr32Nm75MtIFHbnEZXv96SgcOZDOqgMw agLIUtyoAB3V0hWXIhzDBESmDheINMs/OgAM3nseY+17OOwLMBVGK+GvGyTPrHDObm106x96STAm SxJMC3RgFHMaOqwjh/uJFt8ZOi7Uj/4t8dob6dtcCNzQtJtJg73OKkZo4xgE4PQNc99y1mL2ZZz6 7vUtp3ZLdqNjhO4eGoo7hxE/Mapg3FMgSpUJQMZem5GNgLregDuACk4AP4zDp2OfyZ0BHTStnYAw Zj72/WHom9HmXZK8XQD0Ue6Ms1Egb95k6DqBUN4CKzjmOTQ+RwHYPoAnV33GGsplqy4BJWvYa1Tj 7GkEfrz8MrsnYBxq4uZUWOvAvNqeI2tc1uYDCUb3ozBShqpYY8B1vQVG7Z/ksZ+KEUPngBQK8wVw wIdF+0CbOUF5z3M+/JaLL9ifmIwWtZ/HxWGR5zGyv9F0pEDk9NRcAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <96a95b9c-048d-4bb0-aaa1-4b552623bde6@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> (Xah's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-No-Spam-Score: Local X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 128.59.29.6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55831 Archived-At: I'm a normal emacs user who has been using it for 4 years. And I really don't like this whole "modernization" idea. I believe those terms we use in emacs has a long history, as well as those key bindings and others. Saying changes is like driving everybody who has already adopt these terminologies nuts. Customization is what emacs is. Enforcing some kind of customization, which certain people feels comfortable for themselves, is not what emacs should be. What makes it worse is that certain people actually think that their customization is far superior then everyone else' and even want to call it "modernization". I think most of the old users felt really intrusive when they found that the transient-mark-mode was turned on by default. Of course the emacs community welcomes new functionality. There is already cua-mode. Personally, I will never use it. But it is there for those people who want those so called "modernized" behavior. I believe emacs is such a thing that if you believe your "modernized-mode" is good, you can release it as a elisp package and put it on the wiki. You can advertise it here but there is absolutely no point to debate about what kind of customization is good on this mailing list/news group. Back to the terminologies. I believe most of the people who read English can understand those by reading info. Introducing new terms, or so called "modernized" terms to old emacs concepts is rather like shooting on your own foot. And most importantly, we really don't want to cause any more misunderstandings by using different terms to refer to same thing. Here is my opinion. People can have their own customization or their own languages. But enforcing these personalized thing on other people is simply nonsense. Cheers, Xiao-Yong -- c/* __o/* <\ * (__ */\ <