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From: Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:21:27 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87abg9jyiw.fsf@columbia.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <96a95b9c-048d-4bb0-aaa1-4b552623bde6@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> (Xah's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:44:27 -0700 (PDT)")

I'm a normal emacs user who has been using it for 4 years.
And I really don't like this whole "modernization" idea.  I
believe those terms we use in emacs has a long history, as
well as those key bindings and others.  Saying changes is
like driving everybody who has already adopt these
terminologies nuts.  Customization is what emacs is.
Enforcing some kind of customization, which certain people
feels comfortable for themselves, is not what emacs should
be.  What makes it worse is that certain people actually
think that their customization is far superior then everyone
else' and even want to call it "modernization".  I think
most of the old users felt really intrusive when they found
that the transient-mark-mode was turned on by default.

Of course the emacs community welcomes new functionality.
There is already cua-mode.  Personally, I will never use
it.  But it is there for those people who want those so
called "modernized" behavior.  I believe emacs is such a
thing that if you believe your "modernized-mode" is good,
you can release it as a elisp package and put it on the
wiki.  You can advertise it here but there is absolutely no
point to debate about what kind of customization is good on
this mailing list/news group.  

Back to the terminologies.  I believe most of the people who
read English can understand those by reading info.
Introducing new terms, or so called "modernized" terms to
old emacs concepts is rather like shooting on your own foot.
And most importantly, we really don't want to cause any more
misunderstandings by using different terms to refer to same
thing.

Here is my opinion.  People can have their own customization
or their own languages.  But enforcing these personalized
thing on other people is simply nonsense.


Cheers,
Xiao-Yong
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-07-22 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-21 18:59 basic question: going back to dired Ben Aurel
2008-07-21 23:21 ` Bastien
     [not found] ` <mailman.15133.1216682503.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22  6:04   ` Xah
2008-07-22  8:26     ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 11:29       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 16:53         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 22:58           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 23:32             ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 23:38               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 23:56                 ` Bastien Guerry
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15212.1216767522.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24  7:46             ` Miles Bader
     [not found]       ` <mailman.15157.1216726173.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22 16:13         ` Evans Winner
2008-07-22 22:49           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-23  9:46           ` Tim X
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15210.1216766981.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24  7:39             ` Miles Bader
2008-07-24  9:04               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15333.1216890300.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 10:38                 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-24 12:36                 ` Tim X
2008-07-24 14:38                   ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15354.1216910341.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  4:38                     ` Tim X
2008-07-26  6:18                       ` William Case
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.15437.1217053103.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  8:58                         ` Tim X
2008-07-22  9:46     ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-22 11:22       ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]         ` <op.ueoy5npciz1hxh@el-juanek>
2008-07-22 12:14           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 13:56             ` Dan Davison
2008-07-22 15:07               ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]             ` <op.ueo4z1peiz1hxh@el-juanek>
2008-07-22 15:03               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 17:14                 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-24  1:38                 ` Juanma
2008-07-24  8:42                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-24  9:28                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-24  9:41                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 21:43                     ` Juanma
2008-07-24 21:49                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-24 22:34                         ` Juanma
2008-07-24 22:39                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 23:07                             ` Juanma
2008-07-24 23:13                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 23:42                                 ` Juanma
2008-07-24 23:45                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                 ` <mailman.15313.1216863499.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 12:30                   ` Tim X
2008-07-24 14:30                     ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.15352.1216909820.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  2:23                       ` Tim X
2008-07-31  0:04                         ` Sean Sieger
2008-07-31  9:21                         ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15179.1216738989.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22 15:25                 ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-24  7:19                 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-24  9:02                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-24 11:12                     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-24 12:32                   ` Tim X
2008-07-24 14:31                     ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.15353.1216909918.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 15:19                       ` xraysmalevich
2008-07-24 15:43                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-24 16:03                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-25 14:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-07-26  4:33                       ` Tim X
2008-07-31  9:27                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-31 11:22                           ` Juan Manuel Menéndez Bellón
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.15637.1217496478.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-31 13:59                           ` Tim X
2008-07-31 14:43                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-31 14:56                               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2008-07-31 15:03                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-31 15:12                                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.15652.1217516352.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-08-04 10:48                                 ` Sacha Chua
2008-08-04 14:30                                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15332.1216890172.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 17:59                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]           ` <mailman.15160.1216728865.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22 12:34             ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 12:52               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-22 13:47                 ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-22 14:03                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23  1:29                     ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15173.1216735457.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22 14:50                     ` xraysmalevich
2008-07-22 14:44               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 17:06                 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 23:04                   ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]               ` <mailman.15176.1216737886.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-23 10:25                 ` Tim X
2008-07-23 11:09                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23 11:11                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-23 11:39                     ` Bastien
2008-07-23 11:44                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23 12:34                         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-23 12:56                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23 13:34                             ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-23 13:41                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-23 13:49                                 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-23 15:26                                 ` Bastien
2008-07-23 15:40                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.15259.1216813201.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 12:18                       ` Tim X
2008-07-24 14:15                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-26 11:06                           ` Bastien
2008-07-24 15:30                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.15356.1216913461.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  2:17                           ` Tim X
2008-07-26  6:32                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.15438.1217053962.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  8:31                               ` Tim X
2008-07-26  8:49                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26  9:24                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-26  9:37                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.15439.1217062193.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  9:31                                   ` Tim X
2008-07-26 10:43                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15256.1216811364.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24  9:47                     ` Tim X
2008-07-24 10:56                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15257.1216811483.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-24 12:17                     ` Tim X
2008-07-24 14:09                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-26 11:06                         ` Bastien
2008-07-31  9:40                           ` Juanma Barranquero
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.15349.1216908598.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-26  1:59                         ` Tim X
2008-07-31  9:00                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-23 10:16             ` Tim X
2008-07-23 10:59               ` Juanma Barranquero
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2008-07-24  9:39                 ` Tim X
2008-07-22 16:58         ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 23:03           ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 23:49             ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 23:56               ` Juanma Barranquero
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2008-07-25  4:48             ` p.daniels
2008-07-25  5:31             ` p.daniels
2008-07-26 11:06               ` Bastien
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2008-07-22 11:50         ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-22 14:42           ` Juanma Barranquero
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2008-07-22 14:49             ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-22 15:53               ` Juanma Barranquero
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2008-07-22 16:21                 ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-22 16:51                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.15185.1216745488.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-22 21:47                     ` Phil Carmody
2008-07-22 12:50     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-22 13:05     ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-07-22 20:44     ` Xah
2008-07-22 22:00       ` Bastien
2008-07-24  1:30         ` Juanma
2008-07-22 23:21       ` Xiao-Yong Jin [this message]
2008-07-22 23:43         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
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2008-07-22 23:36         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2008-07-23  8:29           ` Alexey Pustyntsev
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2008-07-23  9:57             ` Thorsten Bonow
2008-07-24 11:03       ` Alan Mackenzie
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2008-07-24 11:21         ` Phil Carmody
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2008-07-31  8:55       ` Xah
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2008-07-22  5:56 ` Xah
2008-07-22  8:23   ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 11:13     ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 16:46       ` Bastien Guerry
2008-07-22 22:51         ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-07-22 11:01   ` Xah
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2008-07-31  9:57     ` Xah
2008-07-31 12:28       ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-07-31 13:37         ` Xah
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2008-08-01 11:15           ` Xah
2008-08-01 15:23             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-08-01 11:40           ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-08-01 21:43             ` Cor Gest
2008-07-31 14:27       ` Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-08-06 20:38       ` Juanma
2008-08-06 20:57         ` Juanma Barranquero
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2008-08-08 14:07           ` Chris McMahan
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2008-08-07  5:12         ` Tim X
2008-07-22  7:14 ` Miles Bader
2008-07-22 10:58 ` nakkaya
2008-07-22 12:12   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2008-07-26 13:06 ` Colin S. Miller
     [not found]   ` <2e5864060807311010macf1b5bq439a73fc431fac04@mail.gmail.com>
2008-07-31 20:26     ` Colin S. Miller
     [not found] <mailman.15641.1217503359.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-31 12:37 ` Chris McMahan
2008-07-31 13:04   ` Xah
2008-07-31 14:35     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
     [not found]     ` <mailman.15650.1217514954.18990.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-07-31 15:54       ` Xah
2008-07-31 16:45         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
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2008-07-31 17:05           ` Xah
2008-07-31 17:45             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-07-31 19:00             ` Sean Sieger

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