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From: Giuseppe Scrivano <gscrivano@gnu.org>
To: Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: multi-threaded Emacs
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 00:09:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87abbg7qvj.fsf@master.homenet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87prkcetze.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:20:37 +0900")

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:

> BTW, there was a huge thread maybe a year (?) or so ago about this subject.
> Have you read it?
>
> IIRC, the basic consensus was that some sort of explicitly
> non-preemptive threading was probably the best solution for emacs.
>
> -Miles

I found a thread of 3 years ago (maybe is it this one?  Time passes very
fast :) ) but I didn't find any conclusion.

Anyway, a non-preemptive threading will not give any real parallelism
and it will require more changes in the Elisp packages to use threads as
they will need to say explicitly when give the control to another
thread.
Instead `run-in-thread' will setup the call stack and finally give the
control to the thread.  The only change required in the Elisp packages
to be used in a multithreaded environment is to protect global data
accesses with a lock/unlock, but how many times does it happen to change
the value of a global variable?

Both solutions require changes in Elisp, a non-preemptive threading
needs to explicitly yield the control to another thread, while having
real threads needs to specify when access to global data must be
protected.  The latter one differently allows parallelism and I guess
less changes in the Elisp code too (if writes to global data are less
frequent than specify when exit from the current thread).

Giuseppe




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-30 23:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-11-29 13:32 multi-threaded Emacs Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 20:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 21:01   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-29 22:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 11:35       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:25           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 23:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:30               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01  3:37                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 22:50           ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-07  3:31             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-29 22:06   ` Tom Tromey
2008-11-30 16:43 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-11-30 17:34   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 21:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 22:10       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-11-30 22:20     ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-30 23:09       ` Giuseppe Scrivano [this message]
2008-12-01  0:10         ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-01  3:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 14:06     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-01 18:57       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-01 20:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-01 22:41           ` joakim
2008-12-02 16:02         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-02 22:22           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 22:41             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03  2:17               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-03 18:26                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-03 20:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05  7:40                       ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-05  8:20                         ` Miles Bader
2008-12-05  9:42                           ` Paul R
2008-12-05 10:10                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-12-05 10:35                               ` Paul R
2008-12-05 11:02                           ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-05 15:39                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05 16:22                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-05 16:57                             ` Tom Tromey
2008-12-06  4:41                               ` Miles Bader
2008-12-06  7:44                               ` Helmut Eller
2008-12-06 22:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06  8:30                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:36                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 19:25                         ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-06 22:41                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-06 23:41                             ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-07 20:51                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 23:51                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08  3:06                                   ` Chetan Pandya
2008-12-08 15:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:02                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-07 20:52                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-07 16:15                           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-08 18:26                             ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-08 19:49                               ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-09  2:15                                 ` dhruva
2008-12-09  2:49                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-12-09  2:53                                     ` dhruva
2008-12-09  9:36                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2008-12-09 17:26                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:10                                   ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-09 19:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-10 18:18                                     ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-11  1:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 14:41                                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 18:30                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 18:42                                             ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-12-11 19:01                                               ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:53                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-12 19:03                                                 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-13  3:08                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-11 19:07                                         ` Paul R
2008-12-11 20:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-05  2:59                   ` Richard M Stallman
2008-12-05 15:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-12-02 23:10             ` Florian Beck
2008-11-30 22:17   ` Miles Bader
2008-11-30 16:44 ` Richard M Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-12-03  7:59 Re[2]: " ak70
2008-12-04  8:45 ` Richard M Stallman
     [not found]   ` <87prk8mhg9.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
     [not found]     ` <E1L8ZUB-0002x3-VT@fencepost.gnu.org>
2008-12-05 13:27       ` Li Lin
     [not found]         ` <87prk64ilv.fsf@vanilla.net.mt>
2008-12-05 18:37           ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2008-12-06 21:58             ` Magnus Henoch
2008-12-04 13:21 ` Stefan Monnier

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