Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

[Andreas Politz]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> I thought using a line like this:
>  (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list 
>    "/usr/local/src/stumpwm")
> 
> In ~/.emacs, would find any info files there when I call Info within
> emacs.  Apparently that no longer works or maybe never worked.
> 
> There is an info file located there
> ls /usr/local/src/stumpwm/*.info
> /usr/local/src/stumpwm/stumpwm.info
> 
> But C-h i m stumpwm  knows nothing about it.
> 
> 
> 
> 

It's there but not in the 'dir' file :

(info "stumpwm")

dir files will be merged by emacs, so you can create
one for your local additions. Probably by copying the
systems one from /usr/share/info/dir or wherever, delete
all entries after '* Menu:' and put in your own.

(info "(texinfo)Other Info Directories")

-ap

Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

[Harry Putnam]

Andreas Politz <politza@fh-trier.de> writes:

>
> It's there but not in the 'dir' file :
>
> (info "stumpwm")
>
> dir files will be merged by emacs, so you can create
> one for your local additions. Probably by copying the
> systems one from /usr/share/info/dir or wherever, delete
> all entries after '* Menu:' and put in your own.
>
> (info "(texinfo)Other Info Directories")

That section shows several ways to do it, but I find at least two of
them don't seem to work for me... probably something I'm doing wrong.

Before posting here about it I had tried to extend INFOPATH in my
~/.bashrc file like this:

  grep INFO ~/.bashrc
  INFOPATH=$INFOPATH:/usr/local/src/stumpwm:/usr/local/gnus/texi

  The Stand Alone info reader finds stumpwm but emacs does not

Using the approach of adding my own dir file.  (inlined below) at
/usr/local/info/dir, inside a freshly started emacs
  
  `C-h i m stumpwm'  fails

My attempt appears to follow the example given:
 `
   * Test: (/home/bob/info/info-test).  Bob's own test file. '

On the stumpwm line shown here the address ends in the top level
directory. The info file is directly under there. I  also tried (not
shown here) by putting the complete file name: 

   (/usr/local/src/stumpwm/stumpwm.info)

Do you see something wrong in both or either of my attempts (including
the INFO path approach?

  cat /usr/local/info/dir

  Local info files (updates by user reader)

  * Stumpwm: (/usr/local/src/stumpwm/stumpwm.info).  stump manual.

 

Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

[Andreas Politz]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> Andreas Politz <politza@fh-trier.de> writes:
> 
>> It's there but not in the 'dir' file :
>>
>> (info "stumpwm")
>>
>> dir files will be merged by emacs, so you can create
>> one for your local additions. Probably by copying the
>> systems one from /usr/share/info/dir or wherever, delete
>> all entries after '* Menu:' and put in your own.
>>
>> (info "(texinfo)Other Info Directories")
> 
> That section shows several ways to do it, but I find at least two of
> them don't seem to work for me... probably something I'm doing wrong.
> 
> Before posting here about it I had tried to extend INFOPATH in my
> ~/.bashrc file like this:
> 
>   grep INFO ~/.bashrc
>   INFOPATH=$INFOPATH:/usr/local/src/stumpwm:/usr/local/gnus/texi
> 
>   The Stand Alone info reader finds stumpwm but emacs does not

Eval (info "stumpwm") ,I am shure it'll work.
> 
> Using the approach of adding my own dir file.  (inlined below) at
> /usr/local/info/dir, inside a freshly started emacs
>   
>   `C-h i m stumpwm'  fails
> 
> My attempt appears to follow the example given:
>  `
>    * Test: (/home/bob/info/info-test).  Bob's own test file. '
> 
> On the stumpwm line shown here the address ends in the top level
> directory. The info file is directly under there. I  also tried (not
> shown here) by putting the complete file name: 
> 
>    (/usr/local/src/stumpwm/stumpwm.info)
> 
> Do you see something wrong in both or either of my attempts (including
> the INFO path approach?
> 
>   cat /usr/local/info/dir
> 
>   Local info files (updates by user reader)
> 
>   * Stumpwm: (/usr/local/src/stumpwm/stumpwm.info).  stump manual.
> 

The dir file has to have a special header format. Just copy the systems one
into a directory in INFOPATH, erase everything afer '*Menu ' and put in
your own stuff.

-ap

Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 09.12.2008 um 23:37 schrieb Andreas Politz:

> The dir file has to have a special header format. Just copy the  
> systems one
> into a directory in INFOPATH, erase everything afer '*Menu ' and  
> put in
> your own stuff.


Wouldn't the use of install-info be more appropriate? When the actual  
info file is well prepared, then this programme does a perfect job,  
sorting the info file into its proper section ...

--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen

   Pete

                   Sorry my terrible English, my native language Lisp!

Re: Getting Info to find extra pkgs not in normal path

[Harry Putnam]

Andreas Politz <politza@fh-trier.de> writes:

> Eval (info "stumpwm") ,I am shure it'll work.

I've got it working now... I was confusing my self by working on 3
machines at once.  editing in one xterm then in another expecting it
to work when in fact its on a completely different machine.

Sorry for the line noise.

StumpWM and Gnome

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hi,

> I thought using a line like this:
>  (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list "/usr/local/src/stumpwm")

I'm hijacking this thread about the Info on StumpWM to ask
something related to it, but where I'm completely newbie.

I read things about StumpWM with a lot of interest for some
time, now. I would like to give it a try, but I fear I would
miss windows and icons.

So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
(when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
(Gnome)?

Any hints on how to do this?

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Andreas Politz]

Sébastien Vauban wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> I thought using a line like this:
>>  (add-to-list 'Info-default-directory-list "/usr/local/src/stumpwm")
> 
> I'm hijacking this thread about the Info on StumpWM to ask
> something related to it, but where I'm completely newbie.
> 
> I read things about StumpWM with a lot of interest for some
> time, now. I would like to give it a try, but I fear I would
> miss windows and icons.
> 
> So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
> StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
> both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
> (when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
> (Gnome)?
> 
> Any hints on how to do this?
> 
> Best regards,
>   Seb
> 

Maybe the best way for you would be starting a 2nd Xserver.

startx /full/path/to/stumpwm -- :1

You need the apropriate rights to do this.
I don't know much about Ubuntu, so I can't tell wheather this
will work out of the box.

-ap

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Jay Belanger]

Sébastien Vauban <zthjwsqqafhv@spammotel.com> writes:
...
> So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
> StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
> both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
> (when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
> (Gnome)?

See 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/stumpwm-devel/2007-02/msg00007.html
What I do is have

  while :
  do
    /path/to/stumpwm
    gnome-session
  done

in my .xinitrc.  When logging in, choose the appropriate session
(something like "Run XClient Script").  Logging out of stumpwm takes you
to gnome, and conversely.

Since this is offtopic, any followups should go to
stumpwm-devel@nongnu.org

Jay

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Dmitri Minaev]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Sébastien Vauban
<zthjwsqqafhv@spammotel.com> wrote:

> So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
> StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
> both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
> (when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
> (Gnome)?

Add a new entry to GDM Sessions menu. To do so, copy any of the
*.desktop files in /usr/share/xsessions to
/usr/share/xsessions/stumpwm.desktop and edit it to look like this:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=StumpWM
Exec=/usr/local/bin/stumpwm
Icon=
Type=Application

-- 
With best regards,
Dmitri Minaev

Russian history blog: http://minaev.blogspot.com

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:15:46 +0100 Sébastien Vauban <zthjwsqqafhv@spammotel.com> wrote: 

SV> I read things about StumpWM with a lot of interest for some
SV> time, now. I would like to give it a try, but I fear I would
SV> miss windows and icons.

SV> So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
SV> StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
SV> both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
SV> (when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
SV> (Gnome)?

SV> Any hints on how to do this?

Note you can use
nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.window-managers.stumpwm.devel or the
mailing list that it tracks to ask StumpWM questions.

You are looking for this in ~/.gnomerc:

export WINDOW_MANAGER=/home/tzz/source/stumpwm/stumpwm

leave it unset to use the regular WM.

Ted

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hi Andreas, Jay, Dmitri, Ted and the others,

> SV> I read things about StumpWM with a lot of interest for some
> SV> time, now. I would like to give it a try, but I fear I would
> SV> miss windows and icons.
>
> SV> So, my question is: under Ubuntu, is it possible to have both
> SV> StumpWM *and* Gnome, and have a convenient way to switch between
> SV> both -- so I sometimes can learn with the StumpWM, and sometimes
> SV> (when I'm in a hurry) work efficiently with what I better know
> SV> (Gnome)?
>
> SV> Any hints on how to do this?

Thank you very much for your different and very interesting
answers on how to make that happen.

I've managed to launch the StumpWM, but I get an empty screen. I
mean I see "Welcome to StumpWM" in a box on the top right
corner, that disappears after a couple of seconds, and then
nothing...

I try to click or press keys, but nothing changes -- no
reaction...


> Note you can use
> nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.comp.window-managers.stumpwm.devel
> or the mailing list that it tracks to ask StumpWM questions.

Anyway, I will use that newsgroup for further questions.

Thanks,
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[David Hansen]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 10:50:06 +0100 Sébastien Vauban wrote:

> I've managed to launch the StumpWM, but I get an empty screen. I
> mean I see "Welcome to StumpWM" in a box on the top right
> corner, that disappears after a couple of seconds, and then
> nothing...

What do you expect?!  Everything is working correctly.  C-t C-h should
pop up the list of available key bindings.  For more detailed help look
into the info manual.

David

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hello David,

>> I've managed to launch the StumpWM, but I get an empty
>> screen. I mean I see "Welcome to StumpWM" in a box on the top
>> right corner, that disappears after a couple of seconds, and
>> then nothing...
>
> What do you expect?! Everything is working correctly. C-t C-h
> should pop up the list of available key bindings.

I remembered, from a video, that it was C-h or something like
that. Have tried all sorts of combinations, except C-t C-h...


> For more detailed help look into the info manual.

I'll surely do. Thanks for your help.

And... yes, it works... even if I still can't do that much at
the moment... I could launch Emacs and Firefox...

BTW, the fonts I'm using in Emacs (Consolas installed on my
Ubuntu) is really not as nice as in Gnome. Any hint?

Thanks for your help,
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[henry atting]

Zitat - Sébastien Vauban * Fr Dez 19 2008 um 13:55 -

> BTW, the fonts I'm using in Emacs (Consolas installed on my
> Ubuntu) is really not as nice as in Gnome. Any hint?

Maybe you want to adjust your Xft settings (in .Xdefaults), for example
like this:

!Xft settings
Xft.dpi:	96
Xft.hinting:	1
Xft.hintstyle:	hintslight
Xft.antialias:	1
Xft.rgba:	rgb

henry

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hi Henry,

>> BTW, the fonts I'm using in Emacs (Consolas installed on my
>> Ubuntu) is really not as nice as in Gnome. Any hint?
>
> Maybe you want to adjust your Xft settings (in .Xdefaults),
> for example like this:
>
> !Xft settings
> Xft.dpi:	96
> Xft.hinting:	1
> Xft.hintstyle:	hintslight
> Xft.antialias:	1
> Xft.rgba:	rgb

I've done this, but I still have ugly fonts in Emacs (not much
better within "xterms", but I guess there are other settings
there to look at).

I also checked the font string that I was using within Emacs
when launched from Gnome by:

    o   launching `ielm';
    o   typing `(frame-parameters)';
    o   and looking at the "font" string.

I've copied that string:

  (font . "-microsoft-consolas-regular-normal-normal--11-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-startup")

to my `.stumpwm' init file:

  (set-font "-microsoft-consolas-regular-normal-normal--11-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-startup")

But it is still no better (after having restarted the X server).
What am I missing?

Thank you very much!
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[David Hansen]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:50:28 +0100 Sébastien Vauban wrote:

>> Xft.hinting:	1

This is arguable.  I do use:

Xft*autohint:  false
Xft*hinting:   true

But your freetype version may be compiled w/o all the possibly patent
infringing stuff.  You can try

Xft*autohint:  true
Xft*hinting:   false

or try to compile freetype yourself and go to one of the header files
to enable these features (this is documented within the freetype source,
grep -ri "patent").

>> Xft.hintstyle:	hintslight

Better use "hintfull"

>> Xft.rgba:	rgb

Use this only if you have a TFT.

> I've done this, but I still have ugly fonts in Emacs (not much
> better within "xterms", but I guess there are other settings
> there to look at).

What's your Emacs version?

> to my `.stumpwm' init file:
>
>   (set-font "-microsoft-consolas-regular-normal-normal--11-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-startup")

StumpWM only supports old style X11 fonts.  Use one of the "classics"
like fixed or neep.

David

Re: StumpWM and Gnome

[Sébastien Vauban]

Hello David,

First, thanks for your answer...


>>> Xft.hinting:	1
>
> This is arguable.  I do use:
>
> Xft*autohint:  false
> Xft*hinting:   true
>
> You can try:
>
> Xft*autohint:  true
> Xft*hinting:   false
>
>
>>> Xft.hintstyle:	hintslight
>
> Better use "hintfull"

I've tried all the above possibilities, but that had no visible
impact on my font problem.

See my Emacs window looked like when started from Gnome:

    http://www.mygooglest.com/sva/Consolas-in-Emacs-23-from-Gnome.png

and, now, from StumpWM (in all above cases):

    http://www.mygooglest.com/sva/Consolas-in-Emacs-23-from-StumpWM.png

It is even unreadable sometimes (look at the "Happy New Year"
sentence).

What's weird is that:

    o   characters look somehow bolder than before, but less
        readable because some sort of stretch;

    o   characters that are really in bold look as perfect under
        StumpWM as they were under Gnome: those seem unchanged.


>>> Xft.rgba:	rgb
>
> Use this only if you have a TFT.

Yes, I do have an LCD screen (using a laptop).


>> I've done this, but I still have ugly fonts in Emacs (not much
>> better within "xterms", but I guess there are other settings
>> there to look at).
>
> What's your Emacs version?

GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of
2008-05-06 on iridium, modified by Debian


>> to my `.stumpwm' init file:
>>
>>   (set-font "-microsoft-consolas-regular-normal-normal--11-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-startup")
>
> StumpWM only supports old style X11 fonts. Use one of the
> "classics" like fixed or neep.

I removed that line.

Thanks for your tips.

Now that you clearly see what I tried to explain with words,
would you have an explanation of this feature?

Best regards, and Happy New Year already,
  Seb

-- 
Sébastien Vauban