From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: display-buffer cleverness - how to tame? Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 11:50:35 +0900 Message-ID: <87ab5sjm9w.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <000c01c9cc8b$ba796c50$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <49FEA973.70705@gmx.at> <002a01c9ccc6$2221c840$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <87ws8wkizo.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <000001c9cccf$dc734c10$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241491879 21424 80.91.229.12 (5 May 2009 02:51:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 02:51:19 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 04:51:09 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M1AkP-0001h4-CO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 04:51:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33020 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M1AkO-0000WU-Nf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:51:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M1AkJ-0000WE-IF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:51:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M1AkE-0000W2-4C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=38968 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M1AkD-0000Vz-VT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:50:58 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:59319 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M1AkD-0008G4-BF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 May 2009 22:50:57 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1M1Ak8-0006AG-E5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:50:52 +0000 Original-Received: from 218.231.212.123.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.212.123]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:50:52 +0000 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.212.123.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 05 May 2009 02:50:52 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.212.123.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:s1qmOb9+j3L1zQmYswXUlXEBRt4= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:110664 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: >> > It's a joke, right? Emacs adding DWIM now means that if >> > you want the simple, straightforward behavior of old you >> > need to write it yourself? >> >> If almost nobody actually does, then that's not a problem, right? > > That's sorry logic. The fact (unproven, BTW) that few people will > actually go to that trouble is no proof that almost nobody would > appreciate such a result. No, what I meant was, "if almost nobody wants the ... behavior of old, then [the non-trivial burden of recreating it] is not a problem, right?" [As Stefan pointed out , the old behavior was really no simpler, so using a term like "simple, straightforward behavior" to describe it, is just rhetoric.] Granted those people who actually notice the difference may have become accustomed to the old behavior, however arbitrary, and may desire it for that reason. -Miles -- Cannon, n. An instrument employed in the rectification of national boundaries.