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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Scrollbar thumbs
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:38:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aayy8f3f.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CB5CC18F17F74BFFA9C3A8F891A3E806@editkapc

"grischka" <grishka@gmx.de> writes:

> Óscar Fuentes wrote:
>> Sure, the Real World is slowly adapting to the rules stated by some
>> illuminated GUI toolkit designers.
>
> The entire Real World?  No! A small village of indomitable lisp hackers
> still holds out against the visual invasion, fortified by their magic
> knowledge of the mantras that allow them to transform pure human will
> into virtual user interfaces located in the user herself.

Just in case someone takes the above comment half-seriously, it is worth
noting that the problem faced by emacs wrt GTK scrollbar would hinder
other applications too. For instance, on some areas it is required to
display very large datasets on a grid. There, it is not often clear how
much rows there are on the dataset, nor exists the concept on n-th row,
so it is not possible to have a precise 1-to-1 mapping among the
scrollbar thumb position and the dataset cursor position. On those
applications it is useful to handle thumb movements as exponential
displacements too.

Nothing on the Holy Scripture says that scrollbars are forbidden for
those uses. Quite the contrary, users have no problem at all using
scrollbars with that behaviour.

GTK chose a very restrictive concept of scrollbar. Not only this, but it
chose to *force* this concept on the users.

You can adapt Emacs to GTK requirements, but I wouldn't consider that a
bug fix, but rather a workaround for a dumb widget.

-- 
Óscar





  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-07 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-07 11:50 Scrollbar thumbs grischka
2009-11-07 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2009-11-07 17:47   ` David De La Harpe Golden
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-11-03 16:36 grischka
2009-11-03 17:13 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-02 10:41 Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) grischka
2009-11-02 11:21 ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-03  0:48   ` grischka
2009-11-03  9:27     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-04  0:09     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-04  9:51       ` grischka
2009-11-04 11:18         ` joakim
2009-11-04 19:29           ` Jan Djärv
2009-11-04 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05  1:18               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-09 23:14                 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2009-11-05  9:23               ` Jan D.
2009-11-05 13:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-05 15:16               ` grischka
2009-11-05 15:32                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-05 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2009-11-05 16:07                 ` David Kastrup
2009-11-05 23:55                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-06  0:31                     ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  3:10                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-11-06  4:37                       ` Miles Bader
2009-11-06  8:42                     ` David Kastrup
2009-11-06  8:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-11-02 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  0:32   ` grischka
2009-11-03  1:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03  5:37       ` grischka
2009-11-03 13:38         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 21:10           ` grischka
2009-11-03 23:00             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-03 10:02   ` joakim
2009-11-05  9:21     ` Jan D.
2009-10-30 11:18 Customizing the mode line Eli Zaretskii
2009-10-30 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-10-31  6:09   ` Manoj Srivastava
2009-10-31 20:38     ` Scrollbar thumbs (was: Customizing the mode line) Stefan Monnier
2009-11-01  3:11       ` Scrollbar thumbs Miles Bader
2009-11-02  6:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-02  7:41           ` Jason Rumney
2009-11-02 14:10             ` Stefan Monnier

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