From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: "Per Starbäck" <per@starback.se>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Giuseppe Scrivano" <gscrivano@gnu.org>,
1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: bug#1305: Beeping (was: Emacs for new users)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:35:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87aay91k9j.fsf_-___37791.4512333975$1259276889$gmane$org@mail.jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874oolarvt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:49:26 -0500")
>>>> * beeping is often disturbing and unexpected, in particular for
>>>> scrolling past the beginning or end of the
>>>> buffer with the scroll wheel. (I agree. That's hardly an error.)
>>>
>>> yes, I agree with you, beeping is often disturbing. You can disable it,
>>> changing the value of visible-bell to t:
>
>> This is bug#1305. That discussion never came to a conclusion.
>
> One complication, now that I recall, is that we really do want to signal
> an error for beginning-of-buffer and end-of-buffer, so that keyboard
> macros will terminate.
>
> The problem is that we have no mechanism for telling Emacs not to ring
> the bell for certain classes of errors.
I suggest to implement this mechanism by adding a new symbol property,
e.g. `error-bell' by analogy with properties `error-message' and
`error-conditions', with possible values t, nil and `visible'.
And to put this property with the value nil on `beginning-of-buffer',
`end-of-buffer' and `keyboard-quit' - most annoying beeping commands.
> But I'm not sure Emacs should even be in the bell-ringing business,
> anyway; it's a barbaric practice, and an echo-area message IMHO
> suffices.
Yes, this practice comes from ancient times of beeping keyboards :-)
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-26 22:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-23 16:37 Emacs for new users Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 16:59 ` Giuseppe Scrivano
2009-11-23 18:47 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-23 20:49 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-26 22:35 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2009-11-26 22:35 ` Beeping (was: Emacs for new users) Juri Linkov
2009-11-26 23:12 ` bug#1305: " Lennart Borgman
2009-11-26 23:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 4:12 ` bug#1305: Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 4:12 ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 6:48 ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 19:25 ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 20:25 ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 23:12 ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 23:15 ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-28 1:49 ` Beeping Stefan Monnier
2009-11-28 2:47 ` Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 20:25 ` bug#1305: Beeping Lennart Borgman
2009-11-27 19:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 6:48 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 20:49 ` bug#1305: Emacs for new users Chong Yidong
2009-11-23 17:05 ` Stephen Eilert
2009-11-24 14:10 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-24 14:43 ` Renaud Casenave-Péré
2009-11-24 16:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-11-25 21:01 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-30 23:02 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-11-24 15:51 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 16:41 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 17:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 17:27 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-24 17:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 17:51 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-11-24 18:37 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-24 18:03 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 18:06 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 18:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-24 19:35 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-24 19:40 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-25 21:02 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-25 21:04 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-25 21:57 ` Fernando C.V.
2009-11-25 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-25 22:27 ` Fernando C.V.
2009-11-25 22:34 ` Drew Adams
2009-11-26 6:23 ` Richard Stallman
2009-11-23 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 19:35 ` Les Harris
2009-11-23 20:28 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 21:04 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-23 21:16 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 21:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-23 22:05 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-30 22:55 ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-11-30 23:01 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-12-01 9:13 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-12-01 10:13 ` Miles Bader
2010-11-13 19:14 ` separating CUA rectangles from CUA selection mode [was: Emacs for new users] Drew Adams
2009-11-23 21:16 ` Emacs for new users Stephen Eilert
2009-11-23 22:06 ` Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 22:43 ` Per Starbäck
2009-11-23 22:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-11-23 23:55 ` Sebastian Rose
2009-11-24 6:43 ` tomas
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to='87aay91k9j.fsf_-___37791.4512333975$1259276889$gmane$org@mail.jurta.org' \
--to=juri@jurta.org \
--cc=1305@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com \
--cc=cyd@stupidchicken.com \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
--cc=gscrivano@gnu.org \
--cc=per@starback.se \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.