From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Potential copyright problem in EIEIO improvement Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:11:57 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87aawrhctu.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <23751_1262141343_ZZg0N7E3ZcBp~.00_1262141340.11263.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> <5533_1262229939_ZZg0N6K4nOGuV.00_1262229938.3761.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> <28416_1262371970_ZZg0N5T~46u9H.00_1262371969.3761.1205.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3504_1262544732_ZZg0O73~B6ki9.00_1262544727.3761.1636.camel@localhost.localdomain> <27499_1262583480_ZZg0O354Y3InQ.00_1262583474.3761.1654.camel@localhost.localdomain> <10232_1262665401_ZZg0O2_6YeI6u.00_1262665399.3761.1675.camel@localhost.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262765756 10942 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2010 08:15:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 08:15:56 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 09:15:49 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NSR3J-0004wl-BS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:15:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36069 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSR3D-00029m-SG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:15:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSR38-00026o-0t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:15:26 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NSR33-0001zD-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:15:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43075 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NSR33-0001yw-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:15:21 -0500 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:49234) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NSR2y-0005qQ-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:15:21 -0500 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1NSR2n-0004o8-7K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:15:05 +0100 Original-Received: from p5b2c284b.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.40.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:15:05 +0100 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c284b.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 06 Jan 2010 09:15:05 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c284b.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.90 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:tAy0yYZjVx79KLQrNF1uxhlAh+E= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119509 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > So in order to derive GPLed code from the GPLed Open Dylan code and > assign the copyright of the new code to the FSF, the Open Dylan authors > have to sign papers. > > Right. However, it would be obnoxious to ask them to assign their > copyright to the FSF, because they didn't intend it as a contribution > to GNU Emacs. Therefore, we must not ask. That puts us in a bit of a > bind. I think that in this case asking for a disclaimer should be more than sufficient: after all, the code in question has been used as a template but not used verbatim. So at most an original code citation in the comment should not be covered by Emacs copyright, but the resulting Elisp code should be sufficient original expression. But since the original code has been released under the GPL (which one?), a separate disclaimer should likely not even be necessary: the GPL _is_ a license to "relicense" under the GPL. > So I will ask our lawyers if it is ok if we use taht Dylan code > without getting papers for it. Now I know all the facts I need to > tell them. Likely. -- David Kastrup