From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: arrow keys vs. C-f/b/n/p Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:17:05 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87aar0y2qm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87d3w2ncqs.fsf_-_@lola.goethe.zz> <87iq5py7xk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83eigclgf0.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1276337855 29506 80.91.229.12 (12 Jun 2010 10:17:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 10:17:35 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 12 12:17:34 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNmN-0006Hy-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:17:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48569 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNmM-0002Kv-VZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:17:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37496 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ONNmC-0002IQ-U3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:17:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNmA-0007ea-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:17:19 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:56878) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNmA-0007eO-16 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:17:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ONNm6-00069B-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:17:14 +0200 Original-Received: from p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.44.42.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:17:14 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:17:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ connect(): No such file or directory Original-Lines: 22 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p5b2c2a46.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5JOw1TAgi8trUmqHqmD0qxpoW24= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:125798 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > In general, I believe the visual-mode movement is useful only to > people who don't really read the bidirectional text they traverse with > the cursor-motion keys. I almost never use a single left/right cursor-motion keypress. And when I traverse material with the cursor-motion keys, I don't read it _while_ traversing. I get glimpses, like when using autorepeat with scroll-up/scroll-down. My autorepeat rate is about 20 characters per second. At that speed, I can't really follow forward/backward jumps. So no, I "don't really read the bidirectional text I traverse with the cursor-motion keys", and I want to see a single person either claim that she presses the cursor key once for every character she reads, or that she reads text exactly at autorepeat speed, including jumping backwards and forwards in mixed L2R/R2L text. My usage patterns for C-f/C-b use less autorepeat. Don't ask me why. -- David Kastrup