From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87aapj1jh4.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87mxtr8i6l.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279821892 23942 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2010 18:04:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:04:52 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 22 20:04:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc08W-0004sb-DY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oc08V-0005DG-LT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:04:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=43952 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oc08K-00059q-UK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:04:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc08J-0003CQ-Be for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:04:36 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:36139) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc08J-0003Bl-69 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:04:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oc08G-0004m2-Ib for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:32 +0200 Original-Received: from 83.42.13.171 ([83.42.13.171]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:32 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 83.42.13.171 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:04:32 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.42.13.171 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:fnj0ogYjBj1G0cJVhOkLMJ2l+UE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127650 Archived-At: "Alfred M. Szmidt" writes: > > Can we please stop with the extravagant claim that new users are > > not attracted to emacs because of some idiosyncratic bindings? > > That claim is extravagant indeed. The users are not attracted by > the idiosyncratic keybindings, they are *repelled* by them. > > Again, simply not true, please stop. _Your_ experience might dictate > things that are different frommine, but claiming that users are > "repelled' is simply not true since new users use emacs. So as far as some new users come from time to time, there is no need to question Emacs' design. Curious logic. We'll better leave the discussion here. [snip]