From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The copyright issue Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:03:17 +0200 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <87aaop62pm.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <19546.32875.515000.117266@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <4C5BF992.9050909@online.de> <87zkwq7bnt.fsf@roquesor.com> <874oexdiqm.fsf@roquesor.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1281773055 1979 80.91.229.12 (14 Aug 2010 08:04:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:04:15 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 14 10:04:11 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkBis-0003n4-4w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:04:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36982 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkBir-0002RW-Kn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:04:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50755 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OkBiI-0002JR-0I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:03:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkBiE-0004k6-7A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:03:33 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40769) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkBiD-0004js-Qx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 04:03:30 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OkBiB-0003gf-QN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:03:27 +0200 Original-Received: from p508eab54.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.142.171.84]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:03:27 +0200 Original-Received: from dak by p508eab54.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:03:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 30 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p508eab54.dip.t-dialin.net X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:oo3fsF1I1uZlTkCp9dUJJFTSQNY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:128664 Archived-At: Walter Alejandro Iglesias writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> The aim of the GNU Project is to win freedom for software users. >> The only way I can relate your message to the issue >> is to interpret it as defeatism. Please take that somewhere else. >> Whether you think we will succeed or fail is not relevant >> because we are going to try anyway. > > Obviously, my thinking does not have "cow super powers". It would be > wonderful to be able to change the world with just my thinking! There is nothing else that is going to change the world, in particular to the better. > You said that popularity of GNU is not important for you. This means > that you think that the fact that people just 'use' or 'consume' free > software in not the point. This is exactly what I meant with my > particular 'acid' sense of humor: people must understand 'why' to use > free software. This is relevant. Not much. Most people don't value personal freedom either. They still benefit from it. It is important that the message registers with enough people that care and make a difference. But most people are apathetic in almost all of their endeavors. They pick their authority and their nose and stick with it. -- David Kastrup