From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?"
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 20:16:05 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a9l577bm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:05:42 +0200")
Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>> Remember he [RMS] is talking about secretaries in early days of
>> computing learning Emacs and learning programming in the
>> process. I am sure secretaries had no CS degrees and more
>> importantly they belonged to a period when computers were not
>> common place and were quite the cutting edge. I just laugh when
>> young kids in this day of Google complain that Emacs is
>> primitive and is difficult to learn. I consider it a joke.
Welcome back! This time let's talk about Emacs!
We are discussing - http://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.html
What fascinates me in that article is this,
,----
| They used a manual someone had written which showed how to extend
| Emacs, but didn't say it was a programming. So the secretaries,
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
| who believed they couldn't do programming, weren't scared
| ^^^^^^^^
| ^^^^^^^^
| off. They read the manual, discovered they could do useful things
| and they learned to program.
`----
The magic phrases are - "didn't say it was a programming" and
"believed".
Belief or No-Belief, learning, stopping short of saying the whole truth
- all seem interesting to me. Do they help or hinder learning?
Specifically, if someone is interested in introducing Emacs to a
non-Emacs user, what strategies should they adopt to maximize their
chances of having a new convert. I welcome any insights from both the
victors and the vanquished on the "Convert to or introduce Emacs
battle".
Personally, my first love with Emacs was when someone showed M-q to me
and the most uglily indented text aligned nicely between the margins.
> If you, on the other hand, write poetry or whatever with Emacs,
Not a poet here.
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2013-07-29 13:05 Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-07-29 14:46 ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2013-07-30 10:10 ` Chris Van Dusen
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2013-07-30 22:09 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-07-29 15:37 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-29 16:01 ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-30 6:27 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-07-30 15:22 ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
2013-07-30 15:31 ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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2013-07-30 16:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 18:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 18:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 11:38 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-07-30 11:47 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-07-29 19:38 ` Barry Margolin
2013-07-30 12:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 12:27 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 14:59 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-07-30 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:19 ` Barry Margolin
2013-07-30 21:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 4:47 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 6:23 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 18:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 19:19 ` drain
2013-07-31 19:20 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 14:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:21 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 15:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-01 16:08 ` Rustom Mody
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2013-08-03 10:55 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-08-05 8:36 ` LaTeX (was: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?") Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 16:31 ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 16:18 ` Drew Adams
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2013-08-01 16:33 ` Barry Margolin
2013-08-01 17:52 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 16:41 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-08-01 14:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:19 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-08-01 18:40 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-08-01 20:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 15:34 ` Phillip Lord
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2013-07-30 16:53 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 0:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 12:10 ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-31 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-01 7:40 ` R development environment Sebastien Vauban
2013-08-01 10:44 ` Phillip Lord
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2013-07-31 0:51 ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 10:10 ` Emanuel Berg
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