From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:06:54 +0100 Message-ID: <87a9igcbht.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> References: <87pprkbodk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> <87r4btl8e5.fsf@zerg32.ncl.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381489639 6530 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2013 11:07:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Rainer M Krug Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 11 13:07:22 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYz-00084c-Rc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 13:07:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYz-0006cW-8h for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:07:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39627) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYj-0006cN-9R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:07:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYe-0003hE-9K for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:07:05 -0400 Original-Received: from cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.234.22]:36619) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYd-0003gc-PL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 07:06:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk ([10.8.233.129]) by cheviot22.ncl.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1VUaYZ-0003eP-Cw; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:06:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (zerg32.ncl.ac.uk [10.66.65.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtpauth-vm.ncl.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r9BB6sdL028037 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:06:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Rainer M. Krug's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2013 13:00:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 128.240.234.22 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93943 Archived-At: Rainer M Krug writes: >> The other point to remember is that there are more programmers now than >> 20 years ago. I would be shocked if Emacs popularity as a percentage had >> not dropped. > > Not only more programmers, but also more IDE, source code editors (in > the widest sense) - i.e. alternatives to emacs. > > I love emacs and will stick with it (even if I am the last one using > it), but I see the difficulty to sell it to new programmers. By the way: > I see the same problem with vi. Sure. It has a start up hump. I basically bullied some of my students into using it; it takes a few months before they start to appreciate it. But, as I say, there are more programmers than ever; I suspect that actual number of Emacs users is increasing. Especially since org-mode got invented which is bringing in lots of people. Phil