From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs completion matches selection UI
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:09:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a9fylusq.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87d2kuzzqj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:58:44 +0900 "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
SJT> Ted Zlatanov writes:
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:29:30 -0500 Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> wrote:
SM> I'm not sure why you see it as something the user wouldn't like.
>>
>> Because it's not familiar.
SJT> "Familiar" has never been a reason in itself for doing things in
SJT> Emacs
Sure it has. We (the Emacs developers and users) simply do what's
familiar to us. We're all used to "our" way of doing things and are
often puzzled when new users reject our "obvious intuitive" solutions.
SJT> and obviously "unfamiliar" is a superset of "innovative", so make
SJT> sure you fish the baby out of the bathwater first.
I think the "baby" is decades of HCI research we seem to ignore.
>> Do you need examples of how popular and standard this behavior is
>> today?
SJT> Ted, it's not about "popular" (especially not "popular with developers
SJT> who create applications that make Emacs developers feel sick") and
SJT> "standard".
Hey, I think you need an example! libreadline (and most shells that use
it). Attacking the Notepad/W32/crapGUI straw man won't help this
discussion.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-12-18 3:09 UTC|newest]
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2013-11-18 16:13 Emacs completion matches selection UI Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-18 20:00 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-11-18 20:54 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-11-18 21:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19 0:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19 9:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-19 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19 14:00 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-19 14:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19 17:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-19 21:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 0:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 1:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 3:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 17:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 19:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 20:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 15:57 ` Josh
2013-11-21 0:52 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-21 3:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 0:10 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-22 7:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 12:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-25 13:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-25 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-16 15:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-16 18:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-16 22:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-17 2:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-17 10:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-17 18:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-17 20:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 1:58 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18 3:09 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2013-12-18 4:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18 14:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-18 16:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-18 17:18 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 17:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-18 19:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-18 21:11 ` chad
2013-12-19 3:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-19 15:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-19 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-19 18:44 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-19 21:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20 1:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20 3:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20 3:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20 11:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20 13:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-20 14:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-22 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 2:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-22 11:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 16:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-22 22:50 ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el (was: Emacs completion matches selection UI) Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23 0:17 ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23 1:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23 1:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-16 13:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-16 16:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-16 17:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-17 13:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-18 14:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19 2:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 16:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 20:44 ` David Engster
2014-01-20 0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20 2:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20 2:39 ` John Yates
2014-01-20 3:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20 7:10 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 14:22 ` John Yates
2014-01-20 14:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 15:09 ` clang vs free software (was: enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el) Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20 19:47 ` clang vs free software David Engster
2014-01-21 14:42 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-21 15:02 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-21 15:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-22 15:31 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-22 17:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-21 15:34 ` John Yates
2014-01-21 16:00 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 16:25 ` joakim
2014-01-21 16:34 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 16:38 ` joakim
2014-01-21 18:50 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-21 18:00 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-01-21 18:44 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-23 10:55 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-23 11:01 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-23 14:26 ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-25 23:02 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-25 23:28 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-26 1:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26 6:45 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 12:13 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-26 12:35 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26 14:45 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 20:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 20:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 10:22 ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-26 11:12 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 12:36 ` Helmut Eller
2014-01-26 14:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 20:06 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-26 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-26 15:15 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-26 15:35 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-26 15:46 ` Lennart Borgman
2014-01-23 16:35 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2014-01-23 18:04 ` David Engster
2014-01-22 2:06 ` unic0rn
2014-01-20 15:57 ` enabling company-capf support in cfengine.el Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-01-20 3:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2014-01-20 13:59 ` John Yates
2014-01-20 14:30 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-20 17:01 ` John Yates
2014-01-20 2:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 16:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-19 20:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-19 23:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20 2:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-20 2:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-20 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 1:36 ` Emacs completion matches selection UI Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 2:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23 13:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-20 1:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20 1:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-20 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-20 15:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-21 3:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-21 4:58 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-22 2:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 23:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23 1:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 12:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-23 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-23 14:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-30 20:47 ` Toby Cubitt
2013-12-31 0:20 ` Leo Liu
2013-12-31 7:48 ` joakim
2013-12-31 14:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-31 15:52 ` Toby Cubitt
2013-12-31 17:45 ` joakim
2014-01-02 18:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-02 18:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 17:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-03 19:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 0:48 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04 3:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 4:47 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 23:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 3:57 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04 9:21 ` João Távora
2014-01-06 23:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-02 20:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-02 22:58 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 2:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 14:30 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 16:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-03 16:48 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 19:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-03 22:06 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-04 3:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 4:00 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 16:35 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-03 17:46 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-01-04 2:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-04 3:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 4:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-05 16:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 4:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06 5:25 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 2:39 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 4:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 5:35 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 5:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06 14:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 15:54 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-06 20:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 23:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-06 7:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-06 15:51 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-07 0:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-07 3:32 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-07 23:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-01-08 2:58 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-08 3:38 ` Bob Bobeck
2014-01-08 3:47 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-08 9:27 ` Richard Stallman
2014-01-08 15:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 4:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 15:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-08 16:11 ` Toby Cubitt
2014-01-09 7:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-23 13:45 ` John Yates
2013-12-23 16:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-24 2:47 ` John Yates
2013-12-28 14:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-28 16:43 ` John Yates
2013-12-30 12:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-30 16:32 ` João Távora
2014-01-04 23:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 2:13 ` João Távora
2014-01-05 16:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06 23:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 3:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 16:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-01-07 17:18 ` João Távora
2014-01-07 18:10 ` Josh
2014-01-07 19:42 ` David Kastrup
2014-01-08 3:54 ` Josh
2014-01-07 3:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 16:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-28 15:59 ` João Távora
2013-12-28 17:00 ` John Yates
2013-12-28 17:40 ` Josh
2013-12-19 4:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19 5:45 ` chad
2013-12-19 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19 7:59 ` Aaron Ecay
2013-12-19 15:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19 17:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-19 18:46 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-20 0:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-19 6:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-19 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-21 10:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-21 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-22 5:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-22 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-11-23 10:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-11-19 13:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-19 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 0:10 ` Gregor Zattler
2013-11-20 1:25 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-11-20 17:59 ` John Yates
2013-11-19 0:47 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-19 11:18 ` Tom
2013-11-19 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-20 0:45 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-20 7:34 ` martin rudalics
2013-11-20 7:50 ` Tom
2013-11-21 0:45 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-21 7:41 ` martin rudalics
2013-11-22 0:18 ` Juri Linkov
2013-11-22 10:26 ` martin rudalics
2013-11-19 19:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-20 7:39 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-11-19 17:33 ` Sebastian Wiesner
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-30 20:35 Barry OReilly
2014-01-01 18:12 ` Stefan Monnier
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