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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:173771 Archived-At: At Tue, 19 Aug 2014 09:09:24 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Just when You want to share smth with somebody remotely, right now options: > 1. gnu/screen > 2. vnc, skype or something like that. I have not tried tox yet. > > Skype is nonfree software. It's not a solution, it's a problem. > I don't know what VNC is; is it free software? How does it > solve this problem? Sure, It is not free software. > > I have some idea what Tox does. > How would Tox enable people to edit a document together? > I do not see how it relates. tox, lets You share your graphical desktop, among other things, It is alternative to the non free sofware app. VNC let You share your graphical desktop without using remote servers. It is GPL Rudel lets You share buffer(s). Emacs users could use Emacs+Rudel on places where tox or VNC were used before realizing about Rudel. On my opinion the main problem Rudel solves it's sharing a buffer. Before this thread a lot of people including me did not know about rudel existence and usability. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. >