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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@toke.dk>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] GnuTLS: Support TOFU certificate checking.
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:55:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a957o87z.fsf@alrua-karlstad.karlstad.toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3iojv4l87.fsf@stories.gnus.org> (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:35:04 +0200")

Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> I think all the certificate checking should just work out of the box
> without the user having to do any configuration or shell commands.
> I.e., it should be done by `open-network-stream'.

Right, I can definitely see the point of that, and ultimately this is
definitely desirable. The GnuTLS TOFU mode could be a way to do the
heavy lifting of certificate fingerprint storing and verification etc.

I don't think I'm sufficiently familiar with the innards of
open-network-stream to implement this, sorry. However, if you agree this
could be a reasonable building block for the user-facing functionality I
could rework the patch to (a) signal an appropriate error code when
verification fails and (b) add a parameter to add the certificate to the
trust chain. The lisp code could then use this functionality (by passing
the appropriate parameters to gnutls-boot) to implement the user-facing
y/no/maybe/whatever on top of it.

This would allow me to scratch my own itch (getting basic TOFU support
for me to put into gnutls-verify-error) while at the same time
contributing something to the overall problem.

Would you be interested in such a patch? :)


Also, I'll add that TOFU can also be used to ensure stronger trust than
just checking that the certificate validates; it can also be used for
certificate pinning to ensure that it doesn't change. This is what I use
it for personally, and I consider it a nice added security...

-Toke



  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-07 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-07 21:16 [PATCH RFC] GnuTLS: Support TOFU certificate checking Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-07 21:35 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-07 21:55   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2014-10-08 11:53     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 11:58       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 12:10       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 12:18         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 12:39           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 12:42             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 12:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 12:56             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 13:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 13:06                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 13:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 13:25                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 13:38                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 13:47                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 13:59                           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 14:05                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 14:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 14:09                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 14:11                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-10-08 14:56                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-08 15:31                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 15:37                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-09  2:43                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-09 13:17                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-08 13:28                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 14:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-08 15:19   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 15:45     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-08 16:09       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-08 16:52     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-08 17:07       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2014-10-09 13:10         ` Ted Zlatanov

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