From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Elisp addiction not as bad in light of Linux forkoholism Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:21:36 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87a938uy6n.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <873891sgaw.fsf@debian.uxu> <874mtgwpzl.fsf@debian.uxu> <873890ilhc.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87iohwv5iu.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417386325 1258 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2014 22:25:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 22:25:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 30 23:25:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XvCve-0007QM-Dn for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 23:25:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51929 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XvCve-0007Cw-0J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 17:25:18 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 62 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:VkVQ30+cgUBRj82BYnKB44I4vWc= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:209058 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101337 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: >> I have 24.4 as well and I got that straight from >> the repos with aptitude. What are you guys talking >> about? :) > > Maybe nowadays it's better. Don't know. This is not > really the worst thing about Ubuntu, anyway. Again, I don't use Ubuntu but I always thought the aptitude stuff worked close to the same for all Debian forks (and dpkg based distros), though the policy for the repositories vary. Ubuntu has its own set, but Knoppix uses those of the stable Debian release, for example. (Knoppix, originally a "Live CD" Debian fork, now profiled as a "rescue distro" for broken machines, itself forked a couple of times.) > When I hit C-M-t to start a terminal, I have to wait > approximately 8 seconds. Do you have those with xbindkeys or do you mean from Emacs? But either way, it shouldn't take that long. Ubuntu is considered very "bloated" for a Linux distro, which generally means it has a lot of stuff going on under the surface Windoze-style with popups and other irritating stuff. That of course is a burden on the system and in particular it can slow down the interactive feel and responsiveness, and this reduces a lot the quality-of-life for the computer user, hour by hour. It seems GUI OS developers think people have, or will soon have anyway, computers much faster than those they actually have. How many threads and question have you seen online: I don't want this, how do I disable that, etc.? And how many: I want a small clock, a calendar, a funny fish, backgrounds that rotate in four dimensions, etc.? But I understand people want to be active and creative. All the distro mania as about that. So even if the form sucks to a great degree there is some magic energy to it, for sure. And I still never saw a full-blown DE that came with the touch-speed of a sweet lonesome terminal. > When I hit the "Windoze" key to start the "dash" (I > guess this is what it's called), I have to wait > approximately 6 seconds. Not really a best user > experience. "dash" as in Debian Almquist shell? One way that works to make the computer faster is to disable the login manager and then start X manually. Then just put the stuff you want in xinitrc. The rest, you won't get. If the computer is slow with just a WM (e.g. openbox) and xterm, then something is seriously wrong :) -- underground experts united