From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: How to build the C language environment in Emacs? Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:16:17 +0100 Message-ID: <87a91u65hq.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <54a773933fe5_@_imoxion.com> <86k314me0k.fsf@gmail.com> <87lhlfnz8w.fsf@debian.uxu> <86mw5vpbz6.fsf@gmail.com> <87387n6vg8.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420640743 17510 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2015 14:25:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:25:43 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 07 15:25:36 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rWn-0005hT-8j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:24:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40637 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rWm-00013r-Nd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:24:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57915) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rUe-0007Ah-11 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:21:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rUa-0005ei-Pv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:21:51 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:32917) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rUa-0005dd-Jx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 09:21:48 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y8rTA-0000Qi-U3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:20:21 +0100 Original-Received: from 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net ([88.10.128.129]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:20:20 +0100 Original-Received: from ofv by 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 07 Jan 2015 15:20:20 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 50 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.red-88-10-128.dynamicip.rima-tde.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:QVmGeMsm2pulx+AQPqmZg0Ch/yg= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101919 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Óscar Fuentes writes: > >> Can you both provide hard facts instead of vague FUD >> about what makes Emacs on Windows an unpleasant >> experience? > > I have been in exactly this discussion before. Even > then there were people who said it isn't the same at > all (and provided examples), and there were also > people who got agitated and said "its exactly the > same, what are you talking about, oh oh oh". > > I can mention dozens of things that are different > running Emacs in a Linux VT compared to running it on > Windows. Probably hundreds but I stopped doing it on > Windows after two or three days and I won't do it > again. > > But what is different: the colors and how to set them > up, retrieval and installation of Emacs itself, how to > invoke it, how you get additional software (e.g., > LaTeX components, and Emacs-w3m), what such software > is available, how Emacs interacts with the rest of the > system - it doesn't have to be IPC with named pipes or > anything that fancy (but that would be different as > well, because of the different OS models) - it can be > as simple as the clipboard interaction with tmux and > X, all that just recently discussed would be totally > unapplicable; the keys, and how to setup special keys; The only remote relation with Emacs usability is the lack of a package management system on Windows (well, we have MSYS2 now, but still no match for a Linux distro.) The rest of your diatribe consists on "Windows is not Linux and I like Linux very much, therefore Windows is garbage." (colors? keys? IPC? what are you talking about?) > not to mention Windows in itself as a laughably > bloated and annoying system with popups and nuclear > wars all the time running amok in the, eh, > "background". > > Windows is a joke. No excuses! I'll be charitable and assume that your entire message is a joke. Please stop spreading misinformation about the usability of Emacs on Windows. You are damaging the Emacs project and insulting those who contributed countless hours of their time to Emacs Windows support.