From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thierry Volpiatto Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19603: 24.4.51; Improve emacs startup message. 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[78.243.104.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm2548740wjx.9.2015.01.15.07.40.48 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Jan 2015 07:40:48 -0800 (PST) In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:98375 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Now emacs packages are widely used, >> it would be great to improve the startup message of emacs with a link >> about how to quickly setup package.el to be usable. >> I have regularly people complaining "It is not working" because >> they install packages through package.el and they don't add in their >> init file `package-initialize', > > Right, we do call package-initialize automatically for them, but we do > it "too late" in many cases. Maybe the best option is to emit some > message at startup in the following case: > - there are packages installed. > - the .emacs file is non-empty. > - there is no call to package-initialize in the .emacs file. Yeah, anything will be good as long as they are warned. > No idea how/why they'd do that, hence no idea how to help them > understand they shouldn't/needn't do it. This said, it should do no > harm, does it? It should not, normally it should not be possible compiling this, but one time one succeeded to do this, don't know how though, but yes that is not the problem the main problem is package-initialize not called. Thanks. -- Thierry Get my Gnupg key: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 59F29997