From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: zsh outside of Emacs (was: Why do we need a number of different terminal modes in Emacs?) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:21:06 +0000 Message-ID: <87a90mcuzh.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423538495 11977 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 03:21:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Karl Voit Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 04:21:34 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YL1OF-0004V3-C8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 04:21:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36711 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YL1OE-0002CZ-Qd for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:21:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56965) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YL1Nx-000234-IC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:21:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YL1Nu-0007wO-D5 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:21:13 -0500 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp05.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.38]:46567) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YL1Nu-0007w2-7f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:21:10 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail04.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.17]) by outbound-smtp05.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 666A599598 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 32133 invoked from network); 10 Feb 2015 03:21:08 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.78.247.135]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 10 Feb 2015 03:21:08 -0000 In-Reply-To: <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> (message from Karl Voit on Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:13:51 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.38 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102610 Archived-At: Karl Voit > * Robert Thorpe wrote: >> Karl Voit writes: >> ... >>> And what advantages would I get? >> >> You get to work inside Emacs and Screen should stop your terminals from >> getting hosed when Emacs crashes. > > Sorry, I meant what advantages do I get compared to a separate > Terminal emulation running my GNU screen sessions? > > I don't see much difference between Alt-TAB + XOrg-copy&paste and > C-x b + Emacs-copy&paste It depends on how much use you make of Emacs specific features. Since bash has the same cursor movement commands as Emacs those aren't so important. In terminal line-mode or shell mode you can use M-/ (dabbrev-expand). So, if you're writing a shell script or I have a file open that contains shell commands you don't need to copy & paste so much, you can write a few character of the command and complete it with M-/. If you don't use these facilities though then it's best to xterm because it does better terminal emulation. > The package is called emacs-snapshot. Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy was > providing no Emacs 24 to me. Therefore I installed the snapshot > package. Snapshots are generally not very reliable. > Which Debian Wheezy packages from which source do you recommend? I don't know about Debian. Others have posted about that. I understand that Debian & Ubuntu are similar though. On Ubuntu there are things called "PPAs", "personal package archives". People can host them and put up things they've built. Someone has put up a backport of Emacs 23.4 which uses the libraries I already have (which avoids the problem of regular backports which is the huge number of libraries they drag along). Perhaps something similar is available under Debian. BR, Robert Thorpe