From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: if vs. when vs. and: style question Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:24:35 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <87a8yra3mk.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sicvwckx.fsf@wmi.amu.edu.pl> <87wq27yvqg.fsf@debian.uxu> <8d531e99-7260-4263-ac99-09c6871e2708@googlegroups.com> <87vbhq53lf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87a8z23p23.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87lhilx0cf.fsf@debian.uxu> <87twx9360u.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <0d1d19ab-06e9-462d-8867-9a49b1e232d3@googlegroups.com> <87lhil2io1.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87fv8ja4m3.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427927128 30671 80.91.229.3 (1 Apr 2015 22:25:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 22:25:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 02 00:25:21 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YdR4Z-0005R9-NZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2015 00:25:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55258 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YdR4Y-0000ot-IC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2015 18:25:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 50 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:FXiy83ADbkCSyKYKMu0CZ9f3MiQ= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211211 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103493 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > The Italian, French, Spanish, and German programmers > are more than capable of coding in English. If they > are not, which they are, they can learn while doing > it, and do while learning it. This will make the > better programmers as well. Source code in any other > language than the old Anglo-American is a dead end for > many reasons, not just the impractical side of it. > Don't do it. There are a couple of gray-zones, I just realized. For example books on computers: should they only be in English as well? Well, I think the general trend has been in that direction for several years and especially with the degree of specialization that comes with the field. Soon it will be a de facto situation. But general textbooks can absolutely be in whatever language, tho then they must provide the English equivalents of all lingo - often, there isn't even such a word in the non-English language, which will make the book choppy, sometimes, but that's unavoidable. Once I read a book which was some 1000 pages or close on databases. That was in Swedish, and I don't think I would have mustered it if it had been in English, but I'm not sure. There is also the altruistic side to it. If all specialists just do epigon works in their own languages, instead of taking on the entire audience trying to advance things on a world scale, there will be much a slower pace of innovation... As for on-line documentation, for example man pages and such, those should be in English as they are often of the reference kind. Nonetheless there have been translation attempts and the French in particular is an immense endeavor, but I think that has to do in part with French pride, and besides that should be passe anyway as modern-day French programmers have absolutely no problem doing their stuff in English. In a way this is a bit sad but in another way it is for the good, and besides it is reality, so everyone should just deal with it and move on. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573