From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 16:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87a8xft9ra.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431095940 2566 80.91.229.3 (8 May 2015 14:39:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 16:38:50 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjQQ-0006wo-8I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 16:38:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56157 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjQP-00016K-Ne for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:38:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57435) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjQ3-00011q-Im for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:38:28 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjPy-0002Zz-NC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:38:27 -0400 Original-Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:59497) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YqjPy-0002Zp-FU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2015 10:38:22 -0400 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8442620A2E for ; Fri, 8 May 2015 10:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 08 May 2015 10:38:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=CIqvW/+SVji+iVcEf84fPAneya8=; b=NRqLh NL38e3zxmYHdP3f2rSI6JAmK98pFsrQxrLqpNRSW2pRUAttkgQ4X15yuPBcuXO7R aw2Gv0R8pCbGKAhpuNndao/LpwfFybg61xSeqpBBydTqGVI2VXwfK93wXdOzk7qo E8N2I8kfFLHJfmFcS470q6wkRD7EcdDnjyinV0= X-Sasl-enc: ys2d7lFvS49tFhglG3LtAhwLQgTHpqhBk4EyBRjKGXYj 1431095900 Original-Received: from thinkpad-t440p (unknown [2.163.1.200]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 35A6C680112; Fri, 8 May 2015 10:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Mail-Followup-To: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord), help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (Phillip Lord's message of "Fri, 08 May 2015 14:39:31 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 66.111.4.28 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104299 Archived-At: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) writes: > Tassilo Horn writes: > >> Vaidheeswaran C writes: >> >>> What would be the best way to learn Emacs. Is it >>> >>> a) Through the different Manuals (there are many and they are big) >>> >>> b) Through a Book that puts all of the different pieces together in a >>> concise mannner. >> >> The best way to learn emacs is the tutorial (C-h t). > > I wish this were true. Actually, the tutorial is not a good > introduction to emacs. It's over 200 lines before you get off "how to > move the cursor around". Mine starts with the key binding notation, then come some empty lines, and then on line 53ff immediately C-v/M-v are explained. The section at line 93 then starts the section about C-f/C-b/C-n/C-p, then word-wise motion, then bol/eol motion. Around line 200, the basic motion commands are done with the exception of M- and the use of an numeric argument. > Most people these days assume that you do this with the mouse or a > finger and that doesn't take 200 lines to explain. Works with Emacs > too. Yes, and the tutorial also states that you can use the arrow keys or the mouse for scrolling/moving point. Ok, not at prominent positions. But if the tutorial started with "you can use emacs like notepad" then users would immediately pick up the habit of using emacs like notepad. > There are other introductions out there, and one of the needs to be > integrated into Emacs. Out of interest, which ones? Bye, Tassilo