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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:33:10 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a8vrg3m1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1Z72EL-0002Ti-2C@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman writes:

 >   > On this subject, you can spell it "comment and objections", but in my
 >   > experience what you get is "prejudice and hysteria".
 > 
 > What we get from you is ad-hominem attacks, over and over.
 > 
 >   >   Nobody ever
 >   > changes their mind based on so-called "rational argument";
 > 
 > I changed my mind in this discussion, but venom for those you disagree
 > with never changes.

Actually, you are the one engaging in ad hominem attacks here, by
making statements about me personally while failing to address the
valid points I make at all.

On the other hand, neither of my passages you quote are ad hominem at
all, since they refer to my past experiences at which none of the
active participants in this thread were present.  And the claim about
venom is manifestly false: there is no venom in this post.

When did you change your mind in this discussion, and about what?  I
missed it: it seems to me you advocate the same conservative position
in the same words as when you first entered the discussion.

Regards,




  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-22 15:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 296+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-15 14:22 Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-15 14:46 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-15 15:34   ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-15 20:00     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 20:16       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 21:04         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16  6:34       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 12:03         ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-16 12:35           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 13:10             ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-16 12:58         ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-16 23:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:24   ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-22 15:23     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-15 15:14 ` raman
2015-06-15 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 15:30   ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 15:31     ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 16:33       ` Stephan Mueller
2015-06-15 15:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-15 18:28   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-15 18:42   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 16:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-15 17:18   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:44   ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 19:38   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 16:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:43   ` Drew Adams
2015-06-16  0:50     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 22:18       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17  6:59         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 23:56       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 19:38   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 20:57     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 15:55       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-16 22:43         ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17  7:17           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17  1:54         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17  6:21           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17  6:36             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17  8:05               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-18  4:07                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 13:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 18:55               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18  4:24                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18  7:15                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19  2:39                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19  7:41                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-19 11:36                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 14:07                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 16:51                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 20:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 19:17                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:31                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 15:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 19:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 22:49                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 23:59                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27  2:08                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28  1:10                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28  5:00                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 10:08                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 13:50                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 14:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:32                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-30 15:47                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:54                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:54                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 19:44                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 22:15                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:41                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 20:14                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 14:37                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 15:23                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 13:28                                   ` Andy Moreton
2015-07-01 16:56                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 18:06                                       ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-27 12:22                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 14:46                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28  9:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 15:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29  9:13                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 14:50                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 21:52                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30  1:51                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 16:53                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 17:52                       ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 19:21                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 20:28                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 20:36                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:05                             ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29  5:59                               ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 14:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:53                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 22:08                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-28 19:27                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 19:54                           ` chad
2015-06-28 21:14                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 21:37                           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 21:49                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18  4:29                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  7:19                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 12:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-19  4:06                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-19  9:02                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-19 15:36                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:22                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 22:47                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 17:20                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:24                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 13:57                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22  1:44                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22  8:42                           ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-06-23 16:01                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:57                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:33                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2015-06-23 12:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 17:06                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 18:07                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-24 18:24                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 15:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 18:32                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 18:59                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23  3:16                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 11:40                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 13:02                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 13:22                                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-23 18:22                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:29                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 19:53                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 14:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 18:39                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:04                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 19:12                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 22:22                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:43                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 18:17                                         ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 18:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:05                                             ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:21                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:51                                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 20:29                                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-23 20:42                                                   ` Matthew Carter
     [not found]                                                   ` <E1Z7UpW-0007r3-2O@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-06-23 20:55                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-29  9:13                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:34                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-23 14:31                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 22:22                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 22:51                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 14:55                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:44                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25  7:49                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 15:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-25 22:49                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26  1:15                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 13:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 19:22                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 12:20                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 15:36                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28  9:51                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 13:58                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:36                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 15:42                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 15:13                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 15:49                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 18:55                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 19:19                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25  1:28                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:41                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 18:50                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 14:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:57                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 14:34                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 14:41             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-17 14:58               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-17 16:03                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-17 18:30                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-17 18:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 19:28                       ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18  4:22                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18  4:52                     ` ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  5:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  7:48                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  8:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  8:16                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18  8:46                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  9:50                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 10:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 20:49                                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:02                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:03                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 22:24                                     ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-22 23:28                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 22:49                                         ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24  8:03                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 14:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 17:41                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 18:56                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-24 21:44                                             ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:57                                               ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:59                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 22:22                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-25  1:56                                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-25 17:49                                                     ` Kaushal
2015-06-25 22:27                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26  9:32                                                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 12:13                                                           ` Kaushal
2015-06-26 15:19                                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 17:20                                                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 18:42                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 18:42                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 19:08                                                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 20:34                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 21:56                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 22:54                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27  8:07                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27  8:17                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-26 17:14                                                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 22:48                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 15:11                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-06-23 16:46                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:20                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:33                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 16:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:19                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:31                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  5:27                     ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18  5:46                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18  7:08                         ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18  7:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 16:44                             ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 17:23                         ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 17:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 18:13                             ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:26                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-18 20:18                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 21:27                                   ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 20:16                                 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-19  4:24                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18  4:49                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 16:18               ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 12:00                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 20:11                   ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18  7:05               ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-18  7:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-19  9:03                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20  6:02                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-20 17:37                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 19:43                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-21 14:16                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-21 19:50                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:55                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:26                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 12:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:08                                   ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 15:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 22:21                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24  2:48                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 14:56                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 19:09                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25  7:49                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 14:27                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24  9:29                                       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-24 14:54                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 16:25                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 17:53                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-06-23 22:54                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 22:22                     ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-15 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17  7:16   ` Daniel Colascione
2015-06-17  8:15     ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17  8:40       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17  9:02         ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-17 11:20           ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 12:27             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-19 21:35 ` Paul Nathan
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2015-06-27 16:46                                                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 18:02                                                                     ` Drew Adams
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2015-06-29 14:57                                 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Drew Adams
2015-06-29 15:23                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 16:14                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 16:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30  2:42                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 16:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 17:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 22:20                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 16:19                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-01 19:33                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 19:53                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
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2015-06-29 16:37                                         ` Drew Adams

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