Changed outside customize

Changed outside customize

[Rusi]

I try customize-group → vc
Go to vc-handled-backends and find its "CHANGED outside customize"
Puzzled
Start emacs -Q
Its still "CHANGED outside customize"

What does this mean?

Re: Changed outside customize

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2015-09-05 20:13 -0700, Rusi wrote:

> Start emacs -Q
> Its still "CHANGED outside customize"
> 
> What does this mean?

Do you have a desktop file?  Maybe you need --no-desktop as well?

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Re: Changed outside customize

[Rusi]

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 9:28:57 AM UTC+5:30, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2015-09-05 20:13 -0700, Rusi wrote:
> 
> > Start emacs -Q
> > Its still "CHANGED outside customize"
> > 
> > What does this mean?

$ emacs -Q --no-desktop

Still the same

Re: Changed outside customize

[Michael Heerdegen]

Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> What does this mean?

The reason seems to be that customizing the group loads "vc-mtn", and
that `setq's `vc-handled-backends' to a different value (it removes Mtn
when no Monotone found).  So what you see does always happen unless you
have Monotone installed.

CC'ing Stefan as author of "vc-mtn".


Regards,

Michael.

Re: Changed outside customize

[Alexis]

Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> I try customize-group → vc Go to vc-handled-backends and find 
> its "CHANGED outside customize" Puzzled Start emacs -Q Its still 
> "CHANGED outside customize"
>
> What does this mean?

It means that there's some Emacs Lisp, other than a call to 
`custom-set-variables`, that's modifying the value of the 
`vc-handled-backends` variable. It could be a package you've 
installed, or it could be something in some Emacs config file 
(e.g. `.emacs`, `init.el` etc.)


Alexis.

Re: Changed outside customize

[Alexis]

Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> writes:

> I try customize-group → vc Go to vc-handled-backends and find 
> its "CHANGED outside customize" Puzzled Start emacs -Q Its still 
> "CHANGED outside customize"

Sorry, i'd not noticed that you still get that message even under 
`emacs -Q`. Given that, it might be something set up by the 
maintainers of the OS you're using - for example, they might have 
put some custom Emacs Lisp in the `site-lisp` directory. Which OS 
/ distro are you using? Are you compiling Emacs yourself, or using 
a pre-built package?


Alexis.

Re: Changed outside customize

[Rusi]

On Sunday, September 6, 2015 at 10:05:36 AM UTC+5:30, Michael Heerdegen wrote:
> Rusi  writes:
> 
> > What does this mean?
> 
> The reason seems to be that customizing the group loads "vc-mtn", and
> that `setq's `vc-handled-backends' to a different value (it removes Mtn
> when no Monotone found).  So what you see does always happen unless you
> have Monotone installed.
> 
> CC'ing Stefan as author of "vc-mtn".
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.

I think you are right
customize-group vc
gives this messate
customize-variable vc-handled-backends
doesnt

Re: Changed outside customize

[Michael Heerdegen]

Alexis <flexibeast@gmail.com> writes:

> Sorry, i'd not noticed that you still get that message even under
> `emacs -Q`. Given that, it might be something set up by the
> maintainers of the OS you're using - for example, they might have put
> some custom Emacs Lisp in the `site-lisp` directory. Which OS / distro
> are you using? Are you compiling Emacs yourself, or using a pre-built
> package?

It's Emacs itself - see (hope that link works, if not, my message to
this thread) 877fo4go7e.fsf@web.de