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From: Tom Tromey <tom@tromey.com>
To: Ken Raeburn <raeburn@raeburn.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: "concurrency" branch updated
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:55:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a8qs158d.fsf@tromey.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2y4ech9gm.fsf@newartisans.com> (John Wiegley's message of "Thu,  05 Nov 2015 08:17:13 -0500")

John> Upgrading to preemptive switching could happen later, once we've
John> had more experience with writing cooperative code. I hope at that
John> point it would be a fairly seamless upgrade, and we'd have mature
John> facilities in place to accommodate it (i.e., the ability to
John> "stack" backtraces, to inspect the environment of inactive
John> threads, a messaging facility between threads to avoid global
John> mutation, etc).

I don't understand what stacking backtraces is.

Messaging is already on the branch; or rather, locks and condition
variables are on the branch, and it's simple to build thread-safe pipes
and queues and whatnot using those.

John> What I want most is to make deadlocks and race conditions
John> naturally hard to write -- if not impossible. The rise of
John> Heisenbugs could make our job as maintainers much more
John> difficult. All the worst bugs in my programming career were
John> related to preemptive threading in some way.

Race-free-ness will not come from this branch.  It takes a traditional
threads-and-locks approach.

Tom



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-05 21:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-01  6:19 "concurrency" branch updated Ken Raeburn
2015-11-02 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 20:23 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-02 20:35   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 20:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-02 21:57       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-03  3:58         ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-11-03  9:40           ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-03 16:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 16:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03  9:40   ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-03 11:50     ` other "concurrency" approaches Nic Ferrier
2015-11-03 15:44       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 17:16         ` Nic Ferrier
2015-11-03 17:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 22:28             ` Nic Ferrier
2015-11-04  3:48               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-03 15:14     ` "concurrency" branch updated Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-03 15:35       ` Michael Albinus
2015-11-03 16:38         ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-11-03 16:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-04  9:20       ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-04 15:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-04 19:48           ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-04 20:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-05  5:16               ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-04 23:09         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-05  3:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-05  6:29           ` Ken Raeburn
2015-11-05 13:17             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 14:17               ` David Kastrup
2015-11-05 15:07                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 21:55               ` Tom Tromey [this message]
2015-11-05 22:01                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05 22:46             ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-06  8:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-05 21:49           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-05 21:46         ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-06  7:58           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06 14:58             ` Tom Tromey

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