From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for over aged hippies?! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:19:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87a8ebfu8i.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <86popa5lm4.fsf@student.uu.se> <20160815193724.4425f09d@amaterasu> <9C6AE04D-2496-4AF0-A2BA-7C3640E20872@eng.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476191148 31108 195.159.176.226 (11 Oct 2016 13:05:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:05:48 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 15:05:44 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1btwkG-000586-94 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 15:05:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btwkE-0003ce-RX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:05:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42685) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btnbs-0007fG-8x for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:20:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btnbp-0007rw-2Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:20:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=44084 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btnbo-0007qe-RH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 23:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1btnbD-00049s-IS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 05:19:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Lines: 64 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never Cancel-Lock: sha1:SjboqZLLFgFk4pmovd2Fx1yvHg0= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:04:28 -0400 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:111504 Archived-At: Filipe Silva writes: > Funny that there's a renewed interest for keybind > intensive editors like emacs and vim. I'm seeing quite > a few of my coworkers and friends who program trying > to learn vim or emacs. And I was born in 1982. Professional programmers of today's age are a joke. We are the real professionals. That's why I have a bike repair shop and work in the forest. That means the real mechanics and wood choppers are probably doing it all evenings and nights with no pay or encouragement whatsoever, thinking my God, the mechanics and wood choppers of today's age are a joke! Seriously, I have a big, cold, dark and quiet room with a Raspberry Pi, the Pi version of Debian, and a projector that displays the glory on a white bed sheet. It is all some 4000 SEK, 3000 of which is the projector and the rest the Pi. Now, today I was in an office building and I looked into a room which housed a development studio doing a chess application for the "smart"phone plague. The room was not bigger than 15 squares and it housed no less then five puny guys all dressed in black, backs bent staring into their laptops which really upheld that designation, if you know what I'm saying. I didn't dare to look close enough to see their software tho. Maybe they DID use Emacs or vim? No - impossible! They were on Eclipse or perhaps some web-based JavaScript browser... they had to be! > I think that's because of the devops/docker surge. > It forces you to work with unix, many times without > a gui. Everyone wants to use Unix without a GUI. The last part, only the coolest manage. Mind you, even tho the original AT&T UNIX was once contained, it didn't stop it from spreading first to the commercial world, then the university world, and then to the rest of the world with the Linuxes of the 90s and onwards ever since. With the R-Pis, it might even spread to the subatomic world, eventually... > And you have to be efficient editing text in this > guiless environment. And then you discover that you > are orders of magnitude more efficient editing text > without a mouse. And then you're hooked. In fact, you become so efficient, all you do is do even more advanced stuff, which makes you want to do and enables you to do even more advanced stuff, so before long you do it 24/7 with no time to eat or sleep and the amazing thing is just how efficient it is :) -- underground experts united .... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 Emacs Gnus Blogomatic ......... http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/blogomatic - so far: 26 Blogomatic articles -