From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 16:00:58 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a8372nwl.fsf@holos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83bmnns0jm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2017 22:08:45 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > If we call package-initialize from startup.el, why does it have to
>> > also be called from the init files?
>>
>> IMO, it should not be called anywhere. I think having it only called
>> in startup.el would be a reasonable compromise. Having Emacs insist on
>> putting the call into the init-file, but then *also* calling it in
>> startup.el, makes no sense.
>
> Thanks, but that doesn't really answer my question. I asked why do we
> put a call to package-initialize into user init file when we already
> have that very call in startup.el.
The form is put there in order to coddle users who copy-paste
configurations a) into their init files, or b) in Customize settings,
that use symbols from packages before the packages are (auto-)loaded.
To quote the implementer (from this thread[2]):
> Another consequence is that users can't paste
> configurations into their init file in the way that 90% of the
> (emacs-related) internet is telling them to.
> By adding the chosen snippet to the user's init file we are preventing
> this sort of problem for new users, instead of telling them it's their
> fault for not understanding package.el.
FWIW here are some other links to threads surrounding the issue when it
was being debated/implemented:
[0] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg00897.html
[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-03/msg01016.html
[2] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2015-04/msg00002.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-10 20:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-07 0:37 Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07 1:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07 2:16 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07 2:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07 4:12 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-09 20:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 3:32 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 4:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 4:39 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 7:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 17:06 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 19:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 19:31 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 20:00 ` Mark Oteiza [this message]
2017-08-11 6:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-11 1:25 ` Nick Helm
2017-08-11 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-09 20:35 ` Interoperation between package managers (was: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)) Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 3:54 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 21:34 ` Interoperation between package managers Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11 2:14 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-11 22:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-12 17:54 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-12 20:53 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13 21:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 21:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 22:42 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-13 23:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-14 0:29 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-14 8:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-23 19:39 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 20:58 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 12:36 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 20:11 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25 14:31 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 15:04 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-24 15:46 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-07 3:20 ` Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Noam Postavsky
2017-08-07 4:14 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-08 0:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 20:15 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-10 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11 1:14 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11 8:03 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-07 6:52 ` Colin Baxter
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