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[104.222.112.128]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z16sm2164807ioe.51.2017.09.24.10.17.42 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 24 Sep 2017 10:17:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86shfca9do.fsf@zoho.com> (Emanuel Berg's message of "Sun, 24 Sep 2017 08:38:59 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::235 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114390 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Bob Proulx wrote: > >> That's great! Using distributions with >> security teams much simplifies things for the >> end user. Otherwise every user would need to >> closely follow each and every one of the >> zillion software projects installed on their >> system. Software packaging makes >> this simpler. > > Yes, except for some cases, because it requires > that enough people use it so that the stuff is > kept up to date. > > For example, there should be many lispers > reading this. SBCL, ECL, CCL, what have you. > Take a look at the software in your repos. > Compare it to the versions you'd find on the > web. People aren't cool enough in general for > the really cool people to find what they want. > > Why it has to be like this I have no idea. > Why can't you get the latest stuff the > same way? > > And it is not about getting the bleeding edge > just for the sake of it. Some stuff is really, > really outdated and there is no way around it > except bypassing the package > manager altogether. Have you heard about GNU Guix/GuixSD[1]? While not all the packages are always at the latest version, the maintainers strive to keep the CVEs patched and it is otherwise straightforward to update a package definition and use it locally (no need to be root!), or better, contribute the patch back. In fact, I see some people starting to use Guix atop traditional distros to get bleeding edge packages. Maxim [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/