From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:11:08 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87a7ov5um4.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87k1o1a06q.fsf@russet.org.uk> <877ek1ql6u.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <19f783eb-a688-2a69-e209-ea161177c8cb@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536196344 11097 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2018 01:12:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:12:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, Phillip Lord To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 03:12:20 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxiqH-0002hf-Uz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:12:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58838 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxisN-0002bn-Dw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:14:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46198) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxiqx-0002ZA-IS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:13:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxiqw-0002s7-JY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:12:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p02-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5302::9]:32603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxiqr-0002mE-NE; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:12:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1536196371; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=Ei/fm8d9fQTfVE8/LFeUbEXF/9RN0NGX5EVA5zUe9Lo=; b=b2iOorel3yGhmd2a8/uEXlZaCOkCEqvzNlWKyVUtqmxXbZEpPICjlu/Ds4Rs31zPzX SAf5BunEjCXxOCQp0mOHxhvOv/8fqJUPRQgCggwopQgvIXc5RrSGRXm1X9p9BEI1PSIP frN6Owb5+hgoFw0CtSHbyrsu/9HFVGLnuf/JCLThjvAT4BW25JDqzUZ1J6gqNGPG489y +M4rPiJBvLFoYS0YLe4davQsg6Xc+WQagh3bfdWolEIY43pLwtpAkkeUMb5sWIxEqyZJ dfNV9DN3UTleeEblV7DKeU3XD9MgrLBWUZ2JbF/kbtCTMxYsa6tzj/9d6iX0wwgYsxG+ b0CQ== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.0 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e03b99u861Bn661 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Thu, 6 Sep 2018 03:11:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fxipo-00021q-Ph; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:11:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <19f783eb-a688-2a69-e209-ea161177c8cb@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:13:36 -0700") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5302::9 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229324 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > hw wrote: >> My first step with 'emacs -q' would be to make the menu fonts larger. >> As much as I like monospace fonts, the typewriter font used for the text >> was *really ugly* even 30 years ago. One look at Emacs with this font >> might turn most people away before they start reading anything. > > This matches my perception too, when I show Emacs to students. Emacs > starts up in monospace font and that looks sooooo 1980s. not really I don't mean to say that there's something wrong with monospace fonts. I prefer them for most things because they're monospace. We should ask a designer for some ideas about how to make Emacs look better.