From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric Abrahamsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#25764: 26.0.50; Make some usability improvements to sieve-script management Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2019 18:06:33 -0700 Message-ID: <87a7do10fa.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> References: <87vas9rg8q.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87o924l0l0.fsf@tcd.ie> <87tvbw13vl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87imsc12xv.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87ftngdo9t.fsf@tcd.ie> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="72307"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 25764@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios's message of "Tue, 09 Jul 2019 01:50:38 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:162417 Archived-At: On 07/09/19 01:50 AM, Basil L. Contovounesios wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> >>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >>> >>>> I do use sieve! But I didn't write this code. > > I know, just thought I may as well fix these trivial instances upon > seeing your patch. > >>>> Your proposed chances seem fine to me, though I'm wondering about >>>> the use of `ngettext' -- I saw some arguments on these lists >>>> recently about international/localization, and wasn't paying too >>>> much attention, but didn't see a clear resolution. Is it the >>>> consensus that we're supposed to be using `ngettext' where possible? >>> >>> Oh, I didn't notice that part. No, I don't think there's any such >>> consensus... >> >> There are 23 uses of `ngettext' in the sources right now, which says to >> me: "there's no consensus, but it's also not a problem". > > That's more or less my understanding as well: > > [45c525a685]: Fig grammar of count-lines-page > 2019-06-09 17:00:05 -0700 > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=45c525a685041c274a26c70caed4088726a790de > > [7bba702e1a]: Use ngettext instead of dired-plural-s in Dired (bug#35287) > 2019-05-05 22:43:27 +0300 > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=7bba702e1ad1ed343618e44cf5bbc2a1f079be0c > > I wasn't involved in the discussion, but IIRC l10n (i.e. using a no-op > ngettext for now) is welcome and encouraged, it's just that we don't > have an agreed upon or concrete implementation yet. I think it's > definitely better to mark the text as localisable now, while we're in > the area, than leave the previous string formatting trick for future > archaeologists to rediscover. So I've now pushed my patch: Okay, fair enough...