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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:126149 gmane.emacs.devel:242773 Archived-At: On Wednesday, 27 Nov 2019 at 17:00, Tim Cross wrote: > I would agree that org should be a package in elpa and not bundled into > emacs core.=20 I would argue the opposite! I would like to see org tightly integrated into Emacs, in the same way that gnus now is. Development of org would be in step with the development of Emacs. This would avoid any dependency issues entirely. But I have no problem with the current situation even if I have had to be very careful in how I load org in my initialisation files... --=20 Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78