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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
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@ 2020-03-20 18:58   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-03-20 19:12     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-03-20 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Eric Abrahamsen

eric@ericabrahamsen.net (Eric Abrahamsen) writes:

>     * lisp/gnus/message.el (message-draft-headers): The Date header should
>     reflect when the message is sent, not when it was saved or delayed.

Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?

-- 
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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
  2020-03-20 18:58   ` master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-03-20 19:12     ` Eric Abrahamsen
  2020-03-21  7:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-03-20 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: emacs-devel

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> eric@ericabrahamsen.net (Eric Abrahamsen) writes:
>
>>     * lisp/gnus/message.el (message-draft-headers): The Date header should
>>     reflect when the message is sent, not when it was saved or delayed.
>
> Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?

I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it. If this
change ends up significantly changing behavior for some users, I think
that would be a sign of unintended consequences and we should consider
rolling the change back until we understand it better.

2¢...



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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
  2020-03-20 19:12     ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2020-03-21  7:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-03-21 18:41         ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-03-21  7:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: larsi, emacs-devel

> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:12:26 -0700
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
> 
> I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
> me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
> represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it.

My rule is: if there's a doubt, then there's no doubt, and the change
should be in NEWS.  The reason is simple: there are no downsides to
putting unimportant stuff there, but users do get annoyed by changes
that aren't called out there.  So, a net win.

Thanks.



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* Re: master 7725fbc: Remove the Date header from message-draft-headers
  2020-03-21  7:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-03-21 18:41         ` Eric Abrahamsen
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2020-03-21 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, emacs-devel

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>
>> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 12:12:26 -0700
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> 
>> > Oh, and one other thing -- perhaps this should be mentioned in NEWS?
>> 
>> I've never really known what's NEWS-worthy and what isn't. My gut tells
>> me that changing an option's default -- when the new value doesn't
>> represent an addition or removal of features -- isn't worth it.
>
> My rule is: if there's a doubt, then there's no doubt, and the change
> should be in NEWS.  The reason is simple: there are no downsides to
> putting unimportant stuff there, but users do get annoyed by changes
> that aren't called out there.  So, a net win.

Sounds like a fine rule! I'll put it in now.



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