From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Gregor Zattler Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Sending mail: line wrapping and quoted-printable encoding Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:37:39 +0200 Message-ID: <87a72vn0b0.fsf@no.workgroup> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="122251"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 16:47:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jTRW1-000Vif-2f for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:47:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33238 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTRVz-0000gA-SE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:47:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTRPU-0005js-7j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:44:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTRMp-0005nV-Bf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:40:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:36487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTRMo-0005nK-ML for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 10:37:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1588084663; bh=XTb+7Q84jtJm3+6T/OXsR6O177ec1eXNj/vlviqtz+I=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=BBM02WGCleBaphqkPXXd6FvBWwYRA6DfGoYjQnsq5hGk1ZQr94H0wCcYDunMC4EcZ KT+xoYo/el7hSU11tYg2umicpyGCLa2JH8ghcIXiZxXEepo0WtozxynQ52fHjhe3qK kXsAsFQ9/MOg7tjq9Z/XlC9/DFrL+KQ682uSUIzM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from no.workgroup ([46.94.155.120]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M89Gj-1jYe1c1IFn-005LPj; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:37:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:zqu4cNLEDaPt0GG5673bRTnVtEteQKxUNOvKln8YSfDMYcZjIEZ 4N9XhUrmouNElWzq8QeRuwV82Fj0kXZM39zoiLIiHcK7uZ3nYAaty2kYv/wSIX12ZIKiE4l 95W/62DSFkR4XZJSOS1YeNJDxvyozr3jBrayIuMK30TTMBCwNtt8R2Ze8DK+MFhHkOKBHZ8 tpmY3yZzL5xhNZf7KHfhw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:XntbtuZlwg0=:8wok+JN19CsplNRTdA59e5 /qXdDyGH/0RtQRkReQGVaB5kKgPKlYW0WJYzRvcv5A7TlQ+sGPzPEJSEKkjGrWyILdsG3b+tk xwICs7JkulYPgtXoBVwF9uKVhJMu5ol+OT/r0gLeEyROOUOIQZtrbRU6Lk9a8JqQYUmv67GBu sMiqmw89lW058Lus8LfGqTIGquReeYshv90yJUyADcABc25J3qn/o6ZbubtaKDUcfQrYfT1pT /PZSeDE/T2rvmnB3/+fFNJZdYgQn4HnjT/er8epDg9insx1H4NWy/74plfZshGcljWNDHHMGj vmZP6myMpZxhCGPLjF6IdGF+YxyVyEcxyGIz8sMAWUwH2OygDjJVZKPL5bECxvlkdpHA8lmXK O2kZGIKeDTgrLRFz7Z4mJGL1WgSnWZ/wALvYmH3lPYJFBNKumvb9e5WZilTFlfaOL5h9F1N6D BUNkpccPJ0ltpPOqvXvBiM/TrTuMy+hAPj4P9PulGRTAcjye83SOCn8Nq0543sbGm0SgLPkP1 8LbFnun7U5pw/mMPGGkraHneKPSop+7xx9Pd8jMHnuXmb+Qq2W48SMEDCL9B4/0MvegSo2+XI eJFuqKaUFN/8gz2l4+DLjv3S3txFYVNHcQxwGrmfJ+uB7pYfBLyX07CRZqDDEn173Rj5YJe9W lI+aRdg3w4mi9P+iS6tIL+G/xyPQI3OoJMvx409PlxH+ByDK4ONnLgNhnL7GHlcjFfXvpmChx Oct1ZxWaTzi1oGCdIWwhRrkk3eLuJIJr/MUNobIecFcuo6FzjrfeIKYeXMEV2mIjNzUR8nk8 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=telegraph@gmx.net; helo=mout.gmx.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/28 10:22:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.19 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:122967 Archived-At: Hi Radu, emacs users, * Radu Butoi [2020-04-27; 18:20]: > Gregor Zattler writes: >> And then there is the question who other providers will show >> quoted-printable E-Mails in their clients (web interfaces). > > I appreciate your skepticism here :-) -- but from everything I've read t= he quoted-printable encoding is well-supported by most/all email clients. = It is from RFC2045 (MIME), whereas f=3Df is the lesser-supported RFC3676. = Doing a search of my maildir, I find a large majority of them contain it. = To test this, I'll be sending this message without hard-wrapping and with = the Q-P encoding. If it shows up fine, I think I need to `edebug` the Emac= s MIME library to find out exactly what's going wrong. This paragraph of yours is wrapped fine by notmuch show, but this is to expect, it's merely a single long line. I do not re-fill it here. f=3Df is different though it: 1. f=3Df renders paragraphs with soft line breaks thus every email client should be able to show it even if not able to grok f=3Df. 2. f=3Df enabled mail clients are not only capable of re-flowing the paragraphs to the window size, but even quoting in several levels is preserved while reflowing the paragraphs >> thanks a lot for this screenshot. Obviously this also >> depends on the users font size. I now re-wraped this whole >> email to 60 chars per line and hope it displays well. > > Ah, there's no need to do that, since it is clearly Gmail > who is at fault here. Emacs is my main way or reading and > writing mail, I'd just like to have the option to use my > phone. I re-filled your last paragraph. I fiddled around f=3Df several years ago and found a. support in email clients to be lacking b. f=3Df does not support, but to the contrary ruins, plain lists and indented paragraphs. Points a. and b. were deal breakers for me and so I stay with hard line breaks till today. But since I want my emails to be readable even for people on mobile devices I opted for short lines. Thus your screenshot is really helpful for me. > Thanks for your responses! And let me know if this shows up okay. Have a look for yourself, ciao; Gregor =2D- -... --- .-. . -.. ..--.. ...-.-