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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255321 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 12.09.2020 09:19, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: >> I cannot speak for all those who use this web interface, but I have >> heard very positive comments about it over the years. The =E2=80=9Ccomm= ent via >> web interface=E2=80=9D feature seems to be in regular use (as far as I c= an tell >> from the logs) and by different people (new contributors as well as old >> ones). I received enough bug reports about the initial implementation >> of the search to know that this, too, is used enthusiastically. >> What I don=E2=80=99t know is if this is*enough* for those who crave the >> elusive >> =E2=80=9Cmodern=E2=80=9D-looking web interface, and would really much ra= ther see us use >> Gitlab or Github. The features that this web interface offers are >> obviously different from those of Github and Gitlab, and some are >> difficult to provide due to the design of Debbugs. > > The looks are an improvement, but of course it is not "enough", to any > meaningful degree, exactly because of the lacking features. I don=E2=80=99t think you=E2=80=99re a user of the Guix bug tracker, so I d= on=E2=80=99t think you can claim it=E2=80=99s not enough. We have observed that the bug track= er gets a lot more attention (noticeably more interactions from people who don=E2=80=99t use M-x debbugs-gnu than before), in spite of the fact that Debbugs *already* has a web interface that many considered unattractive. =E2=80=9Clacking features=E2=80=9D is hard to quantify. For some the only = feature they are interested in is to be able to stay within their Github browser session. Obviously we can=E2=80=99t offer that, no matter how hard we try.= But things like syntax hightlighting, diff colouring, fast indexed search, tagging, etc =E2=80=94 those are things that we can and do provide, and if = that leads to more people interacting with the bug tracker than before, then I consider it =E2=80=9Cenough=E2=80=9D to a =E2=80=9Cmeaningful degree=E2= =80=9D considering these metrics. --=20 Ricardo