From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Leo Vivier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an emacs-humanities mailing list Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:39:03 +0100 Message-ID: <87a6uzge14.fsf@hidden> References: <10e79eeb32b5d8f49453fe62f145172d@skeletons.cc> <87pn3vr605.fsf@red-bean.com> <837dq3ldvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2ijo3tr.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15992"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: pwr@skeletons.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 14:42:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kjjRi-00044Z-EL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:42:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55134 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjjRh-0008Jg-B0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:42:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38148) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjjPM-0006In-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:40:00 -0500 Original-Received: from aibo.runbox.com ([91.220.196.211]:47848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kjjPJ-00009c-AD; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 08:40:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zaeph.net; s=selector2; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version: Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=mDg1qRqMEr0wYXLnzwytDVBulWYe8HQWy4S+h0Bir1g=; b=oF0hfBk4p2wKtV2KTu07oSjup3 J9A0+sn25ipfY/b0vPem2TxIh3L16IOm91RyxojOV+NBH48K3ds1Rrtfz7zsVBqDi0IcQ0CgXURCi Ldlv/QLyE+zhFq0SsqN46TdmycaJs3nJj/QtXwgJIwcaB2lPLtoW53mafSy1M1yJ4M92Y5CHPAHVw cEpZp5vtTsv8jUPFxdJubapWbSQHXS5ytIPw54+niCh9VESWRxXMcMF+vvNFS29H15/f0xPE8XCoH wlUslbFpnx8vyb0RAFeFG9q+aBdRXBPs/nEYJ7JsGfg3h03ixRIKy1i034e8VcI3CzhkYP62LRE1+ tfyUaLcg==; Original-Received: from [10.9.9.73] (helo=submission02.runbox) by mailtransmit02.runbox with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kjjP5-0007Lx-JN; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:39:43 +0100 Original-Received: by submission02.runbox with esmtpsa [Authenticated alias (984850)] (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) id 1kjjOR-0002OD-W5; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 14:39:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=91.220.196.211; envelope-from=zaeph@zaeph.net; helo=aibo.runbox.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260063 Archived-At: Hi there, Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think we need to assume that. Emacs's extensibility and >> customizability mean that there are plenty of beneficial suggestions >> that users can make to each other without getting active core >> developers involved. And when a topic does warrant the attention of a >> maintainer, then someone from the new list can come find one (perhaps >> by posting on Emacs Devel if appropriate). > > Do you really think this will work? I don't, FWIW. How can a group > of people not involved with development answer non-trivial questions, > suggest reporting useful bugs and feature requests etc.? Even > help-gnu-emacs would not be the same without several developers > dwelling there. Posting to emacs-devel is a slippery path to making > this new list a branch of the existing ones, something that this > initiative wants explicitly to avoid. I'm probably missing something > here. I share Eli=E2=80=99s position on the matter. As interesting as the underl= ying project might be, I believe it=E2=80=99s a little premature to create a new list, especially if we=E2=80=99re not articulating it with anything else. Getting more people to use Free software within the academe is a cause close to my heart, and many people seem to be sharing this sentiment in the wake of the EmacsConf 2020. I=E2=80=99ve scheduled a meeting with some= of the interested parties to start the discussion and formulate next-steps with the hope that we might spearhead the federation of that community in 2021. In the meantime, I would invite people who are interested in the project to bide their time; we=E2=80=99ll publicise soon enough. Best, --=20 Leo Vivier Freelance Software Engineer Website: www.leovivier.com | Blog: www.zaeph.net